Scientists Warn of Rising Oceans as Antarctic Ice Melts

by bohm 92 Replies latest jw friends

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  Jon Preston

  Lets just get sailboats and get over it
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  talesin

  Thanks, jgnat. Well, he sure ruined a well-balanced argument for HEMP (and I feel he confuses the issue by using the term Cannabis Hemp, leading folks who don't know the difference into thinking it's WEED, which is laughable, since you just can NOT get high from hemp - but I digress), until he suggested it is a perfect food.
  
  The boreal forests / hemp solution is a valid one, but as a food source? I think not. I noticed that the comments I read zeroed in on the nutty part, and ignorng the good points. But that's all it takes, is one mis-step, when one is promoting change.

  I think that less production of beef and wheat would be a good thing - sure, it's profitable, but that's why we are in so much trouble - greed. (imo, of course, only). I'm more burned about the tar sands, but haha, just won't even go there on a public forum.

  tks again for the link,, and I would say, it's just some guy who wrote an article on a Ted forum, right? Fringe would be my guess. ;)

  tal
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  jgnat

  Shana, all those arguments/factors are patiently addressed in the link I provided.

  talesin, the replacement of forests with hemp won't work. Think of the damage that monoculture does to habitat. We have mountain Caribou dying out because the lichen they prefer lives in old-growth forest. Such lichen won't thrive in hemp fields. Away goes the lichen, away goes the Caribou.

  Besides, the vast boreal forests are too far north for year-round horticulture.

  And as I've said, we've got land that is suitable for grazing, not crops. If we eliminated grazing the land would decline to wasteland. Unless we replaced the cattle with wild roaming herds of buffalo.

  http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change
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  besty

  @shanagirl - may I ask what your credentials in climate science are?
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  Shanagirl

  Gnat,

  There is no scientific evidence that human activity is causing the planet to warm, according to Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore, who testified in front of a Senate committee.

  Moore argued that the current argument that the burning of fossil fuels is driving global warming over the past century lacks scientific evidence. He added that the Earth is in an unusually cold period and some warming would be a good thing.

  “There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years,” according to Moore’s prepared testimony. “Today, we live in an unusually cold period in the history of life on earth and there is no reason to believe that a warmer climate would be anything but beneficial for humans and the majority of other species.”

  “It is important to recognize, in the face of dire predictions about a [two degrees Celsius] rise in global average temperature, that humans are a tropical species,” Moore said. “We evolved at the equator in a climate where freezing weather did not exist. The only reasons we can survive these cold climates are fire, clothing, and housing.”

  “It could be said that frost and ice are the enemies of life, except for those relatively few species that have evolved to adapt to freezing temperatures during this Pleistocene Ice Age,” he added. “It is ‘extremely likely’ that a warmer temperature than today’s would be far better than a cooler one.”

  Indeed, cold weather is more likely to cause death than warm weather. RealClearScience reported that from “1999 to 2010, a total of 4,563 individuals died from heat, but 7,778 individuals died from the cold.” Only in 2006 did heat-related deaths outnumber cold deaths.

  In Britain, 24,000 people are projected to die this winter because they cannot afford to pay their energy bills. Roughly 4.5 million British families are facing “fuel poverty.”

  “The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming,” Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore

  Shana
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  jgnat

  That's the "appeal to authority" fallacy. Regardless of this man's testimony, the mathematical models, taking all factors in to consideration, are leading to an inescapable result.
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  jgnat

  Besides, we are witnessing the collapse of a massive ice shelf in West Antarctica.
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  cantleave

  Shana Patric Moore was not a climate scientist. His opinion is no more valid than mine.
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  Shanagirl

  Besides, we are witnessing the collapse of a massive ice shelf in West Antarctica.

  Shana Patric Moore was not a climate scientist. His opinion is no more valid than mine.

  @shanagirl - may I ask what your credentials in climate science are?

  I have no more credentials than any of you who are so sure Global warming is human caused . I simply do not agree with your "Chicken Little the sky is falling" and humans are to blame opinions.

  Shana
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  cofty

  I have no more credentials than any of you who are so sure Global warming is human caused

  So why not do the sensible thing and accept the mountains of data that is agreed on by more than 90% of the world's leading experts?