My JW Mom came for an impromptu visit yesterday. It went great! :)

by Faithful Witness 12 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Faithful Witness
    Faithful Witness

    It is so nice to start actually believing that my mom wants to have a relationship with me and my kids again. There was awhile, where it was in question, and she wasn't sure if she was supposed to associate with us or not. I think the stand that my sister has taken against me, is actually causing my mom to start doubting whether it is a good idea to follow this cruel example of "love" as defined by the Watchtower.

    We got a new trampoline for the kids, and watched them jump on it and do tricks. My parents were the first in our town, back in 1977, to get a trampoline. I could tell that she was pleased by this choice, as she had seen the value of this investment for herself. (20 years, no injuries... no safety net, just safe rules and proper play). We enjoyed talking about memories from those days.

    My mom asked me if the "Witnesses" have been back. I told her they had, and that I've had some very in depth discussions with them. I am pleased that my elderette, Miss K, is willing to address my concerns and questions. It is nice to have someone brave enough to stop and explain her beliefs. I told her, "She is very good, and I am learning a lot from her. I am learning how they..." (then I had to think how to phrase it nicely haha)

    My mom said, "How they what...?" (at this time, she is doing a painting craft with my kids)

    "How they use certain techniques to make their point, and try to present their claims as facts." (silence from Mom, as she listened... I still have to learn the best way to relay these conversations to my mom, and try to guage when I am supposed to stop talking.)

    "For example, I am learning how the bible study will go, if we follow her plan. She doesn't start out with any opening statement or claim, or even tell me the point she is trying to make. Instead, we open our bibles and start having bible races, to see who can find verses she wants to read. She likes to show me 10-15 verses, located all throughout the bible. They don't always even seem related... like 2 weeks agp, she showed me about 15 verses that contained the word 'truth.' I kept waiting for her to get to the point. Then she will stop, and ask me a question I can't answer. She doesn't seem to follow a logical process to reach conclusions."

    My mom is still just listening, and I don't know when to stop, and keep talking... (I see where I need to improve here, LOL) "So I asked her, 'What is the truth? I know JW's hold that word as if it were their greatest treasure.' Miss K quickly responded with, 'The Bible is the truth,' to which I replied, 'OK, what does the Bible say?' She just looked at me, so I asked her what was the message from the Bible. She said something about rectifying the Kingdom and vindictating Jehovah. I started to write it down, but she stopped me and said, 'You won't find that written down anywhere! Don't quote me on that!'"

    My mom sort of clicked her tongue in disapproval. I said, "I noticed that she didn't mention Jesus at all, so I told her, 'Jesus is the truth! The truth, the way and the life...' The name above all names! Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord."

    My mom said, "Yeah... and...?" as if that was what she believed and what the JW's taught.

    So I said, "Why do Jehovah's Witnesses teach that you have to go through an organization to get to Jesus, when he told us to come to him directly? Why do they go through men to get to Christ?"

    She said, "That is a good question..."

    Then I talked to her about the name, and how I was asking Miss K why they insist on using the personal name of God, even to the point of inserting into the scriptures where it did not appear. I told her how Miss K said, it was only when they were quoting the OT, but that they also admitted that there were several other times, where they had come to the conclusion that it should have been there. I told her I had some real concerns, and that it seemed like they were twisting the scriptures.

    "Why do they insist on calling God by his personal name, when Jesus Christ never said it?"

    My mom said, "Right, Jesus called him Father." (!!!)

    I told her how Miss K showed me some scriptures, where Jesus said he had come to make known his father's name, sanctify his name. I said, "But nowhere is it recorded, when Jesus told us to CALL God by his personal name. If it had been such an important instruction, then why isn't it recorded anywhere in the gospels?"

    Mom said, "That's a good point..."

    I said, "Jesus demonstrated how to pray, in the Lord's Prayer... 'Our Father, who art in heaven...' If anywhere he was going to tell us how to call on God, don't you think he would have said the name in that example prayer? Do you think he would have told us how to pronounce it?"

    "Jehovah's Witnesses are so fixated on vindicating Jehovah's name... but Jesus didn't even call him that. What makes them think that they should be calling him that? If you go beyond what Jesus taught, then you are actually following the instructions of men. Are they following Christ's example, or the instructions of men?" My mom didn't say anything, but I think she got the piont. She looked confused.

    Then I said, "Christians follow Christ. I asked her if they were 'Jehovah-ans.' I probably shouldn't have said that, because I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, but after investigating the bible, and how they came to the conclusion that they should add Jehovah to the New Testament, it really didn't make sense."

    "Miss K keeps asking me if she has come and taught me anything that WASN'T true from the Bible, yet she is asking me to believe and follow things that are not taught in the bible."

    So, I gave her some things to ponder, and she is not running scared... She is actually considering coming back NEXT weekend already, and said that she might have Dad come with her. I'm not sure if this is something he asked her to arrange or what. She mentioned how he likes to do electrical projects, and sort of offered his handyman services to me. I told her we did have a couple of little things we needed help with, and it would be great to see Dad.

    After the way my dad bear-hugged me a couple of weeks ago at my niece's recital, I think he is doing a love-bomb attempt. Even though my mom claims she "doesn't want to get involved," she has clearly passed along the message that I am doing a bible study again. I suspect that Dad wants to prove that JW's are helpful, thoughtful and loving.

    It would be great to see my dad, and I do hope they will both come over next week! I will be glad to have a chance to talk with them both before the International Convention in Detroit. I might address one or two of the topics listed on the program, since they seem to have put their paranoia about Detroit city on the shelf for now.

  • LoisLane looking for Superman
    LoisLane looking for Superman

    Faithful Witness aka Faithful Daughter... You sound like a daughter any parent would be so proud of.

    I appreciate hearing how articulate and sincere you are with the JW's and your Mom.

    Talking to your Mom while she is doing crafts with her grandchild, is as the poster Jgnat says to do, talking to a loved one, when they are not in " cult mode". It does seem as though your dear Mom was listening to your logical assessment of the discussion you had with Miss K... and your Mom came up with the correct follow through thinking. Yay !

    Your Dad, I thought at first, he was so happy to see his daughter and was acting "normal", but I think you probably have an excellent idea if someone is "love-bombing" you or BS'ing you.

    I enjoy reading your posts.

    I believe your Miss K is getting a "faithful witness" from a Christian Lady, who is not prone to be a drone for anyone.

    It is none of my business, but were your parents as mentally awake and aware, as you are, before they got baptized and then something happened, they were lonely, love-bombed, brain washed??? with all the WT dogma, flip - flops, nu -lite, forget old lite, did they get confused and shut their brain down???

    I say it with respect to you and them.

    LoisLane

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    See how much more empowered you are now! Listen to what your parents are saying (behind the programming) and reinforce those things.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    I suspect that Dad wants to prove that JW's are helpful, thoughtful and loving.

    They are, as long as you behave as you're told. But if you disagree with their incoherent "theology" and/or stop going to their "meetings" you will find that they are no longer "helpful, thoughtful or loving." It is the rare JW that will treat you decently if you leave their religion.

    If it's conditional, it ain't love!

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    Hi FW, I am so happy for you that your parents are apparently becoming more Christian - not Jehovah's Witness!

    On that note, why not ask your Elderette to explain why J.F. Rutherford hijacked the (commonly accepted) divine name of Jehovah to re- label his re-modelled religion, when God Almighty had ALREADY given Christians their name!

    You could print out the following Scriptures which are from the NWT Bible, and tell her that there is not ONE Greek Scripture which says Christians have to witness for Jehovah!

    Rather, the overwhelming command for Christians is to witness for the name of Christ!

    Isaiah 62:2 - "... be called by a new name, which the very mouth of Jehovah will designate.

    Acts 11:26 - "the disciples were by divine providence called Christians."

    Matthew 10:18 - ".....for my sake, for a witness to them and the nations.

    Mark 13:9 - "......before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them."

    Acts 1:8 - "You will be witnesses of me...."

    John 1:15 - "John bore witness about him..." [JESUS]

    John 5:37 - "the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me."

    John 8:18 - "the Father who sent me bears witness about me."

    John 15:26,27 - "..will bear witness about me; and YOU in turn, are to bear witness."

    Acts 4:17,18 - ...upon the basis of this (Jesus') .... upon the basis of the name of Jesus.

    Acts 10:39 - "And we are witnesses of all the things he [Jesus] did..."

    Acts 10:43 - "To him [Jesus] all the prophets bear witness....."

    Acts 13:31 - "who are now his (Jesus') witnesses to the people.

    Acts 22:15 - "because you are to be a witness for him [Jesus] to all men......"

    Acts 22:20 - "......the blood of Stephen your [Jesus'] witness was being spilled..."

    Acts 23:11 - "..... a thorough witness on the things about me in Jerusalem..."

    Acts 26:16 -"I [Jesus]..choose you as an attendant and a witness..respecting me"

    1 Corinthians 1:6 - "even as the witness about the Christ..........."

    1 Tim. 2:6 - "......what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times."

    2 Timothy 1:8 - "............of the witness about our Lord.. [Christ]"

    1 John 5:9 - "the witness God gives...the fact that he has borne witness concerning his Son."

    Revelation 1:9 - "....for speaking about God and bearing witness to Jesus."

    Revelation 3:8 - ...."and you kept my word and did not prove false to my name."

    Revelation 12:17 - ".......and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus."

    Revelation 17:6 - "........and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus."

    Revelation 19:10 -".....the work of witnessing to Jesus.... bearing witness to Jesus."

    Revelation 20:4 - "............ for the witness they bore to Jesus."

    (1 Corinthians 1:2) ....with all who....are calling upon the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ..

    James 2:7 - "They blaspheme the fine name by which YOU were called, do they not"?

    1 Peter 4:14,16 - If YOU are being reproached for the name of Christ, YOU are happy, because the [spirit] of glory, even the spirit of God, is resting upon YOU. But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name."

    (John 3:18) ....he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God

    (Acts 2:38) .....be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.......

    (Acts 3:6) In the name of Jesus Christ the Naz·a·rene´, walk!......

    (Acts 4:10) ........in the name of Jesus Christ the Naz·a·rene......"

    (Acts 8:16) .......they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

    (Acts 9:27) .......and how in Damascus he had spoken boldly in the name of Jesus.

    (Acts 10:48) With that he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

    (Acts 16:18) "I order you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her."

    (Acts 19:5) On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

  • cultBgone
    cultBgone

    FW, sounds as if you had a great conversation with your Mom, nicely done! Let's all hope the scales begin to fall off her eyes little by little with your loving assistance. :)

  • scary21
    scary21

    Jw's love John 17;6 where is says I have made your name manifest

    But read John 17 11-12 " Holy father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me" Verse 12 repeats that

    So if John 17;6 means Jehovah than John 17 11-12 means Jehovah too

    So did Jehovah give Jesus his own name ""Jehovah ? Or did he give him his authority and reputation ? Like in the name of Jehovah you will be blessed............How can it mean one thing and something differant a few verses down ?

  • lriddle80
    lriddle80

    This made me a little jealous seeing as how my mom is heading for the shunning road. But then again, you are studying, which would make my mom and dad have sudden approval for me. Like when I went to the memorial, my mom hugged me so tight and told me she loved me and then wanted to invite us over for dinner...

    I am glad you were able to give her some things to think about. It gives me hope that I could do that one day with my mom.

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    SCARY21 - interesting comment on the verse you cited - John 17:11 = Some manuscripts read "you have given me these" [disciples].

    I've never seen that point before!

  • HeyThere
    HeyThere

    marked

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