JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

by KateWild 176 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  abbasgreta

  Lisa: I don't know how the 'discriminated against 'right-wing' (antigay?) Christian' in your scenario would react. I don't know any. BUT, if ALL Christians were refused service by the only store owner in town who, as a gay person, banned them from his shop, all the xians I know (me too) would just get in their cars and shop in the next town even though of course refusal to serve them would be neither 'right of fair'. The crux of the matter is - they could and would not instigate proceedings which may result in the gay person's financial ruination.

  Cofty: Your question about a shop sign banning black people. Surely this question could only be relevant if todays date was 5/6/64? It is impossible that such a sign could be dispayed in 2014. Black people were banned due to racial prejudice and they couldn't change their skin colour. Adopting an alternative sexual lifestyle is a personal choice. Is it a good comparison?

  The Bull's case and my motive for relating it, was that it sets the precedent that discrimination (in this case refusing a gay couple a double room in a guest house) based on one's religious convictions will NOT in the future hold up in court and will be referred to by any defence team. This means that now, any Christian guest-house owner in Britain has only 2 alternatives: to either ignore their consciences or sell up.
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  cofty

  Black people were banned due to racial prejudice and they couldn't change their skin colour. Adopting an alternative sexual lifestyle is a personal choice. Is it a good comparison? - abba

  It isn't a personal choice. A person's sexual orientation is set by genetic and developmental factors in the womb.

  Unlike birds for example, humans are female by default unless they are masculinised by a process that is initiated by a gene on the Y chromosome called SRY. This process usually has effects on both the body and brain of the developing boy. This complex process doesn't always work out in full resulting in a child who is physically male but doesn't develop to have the same sexual preferences as other men.

  Interestingly in some cases it is mostly the mother's "fault". A woman who has previously given birth to boys is more likely to have a son who is gay. The mother's immune system is primed by older brothers to react to future sons. Around one gay man in 7 can attribute his sexual preferences to having older brothers. Normally a second child is heavier than a first child of the same age. A study by Ray Blanchard showed that younger brothers who went on to become homosexual were on average 170 grams lighter than their older brothers.

  Interestingly there is a gene on the Y chromosome called PCDH22 that is involved in building the brain which is known to raise an immune reaction in the mother.

  There is no single "gay gene" but there is growing and specific evidence that it is definitely not a choice.

  any Christian guest-house owner in Britain has only 2 alternatives: to either ignore their consciences or sell up.

  Welcome to the 21st century.
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  KateWild

  Black people were banned due to racial prejudice and they couldn't change their skin colour. Adopting an alternative sexual lifestyle is a personal choice. Is it a good comparison?-abba

  I agree with cofty, although children don't have sex, therefore they cannot have a sexual orientation, many young boys have feminine qualities and their hormone levels would refelct this. Then as they go through puberty their hormone levels change and their sexual preferences develop.

  Many teenagers recognise individuals at school who are gay, both male and female. They get teased at school for being gay before they have even processed it themselves.

  Sexual lifestyles are not personal choices and gay people should not be discriminated against.

  Kate xx
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  abbasgreta

  Cofty: Very interesting. Thanks for educating me on this.

  Kate: Describes a 13 yr old boy at church who is the life and soul of the youth group. His mum knows he is likely to be gay. Love is unconditional. I was pointing out that this recent lost court case will force Christians who run a Guest House to make one of 2 choices.
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  mrhhome

  Cofty,

  [Sexual preference] isn't a personal choice. A person's sexual orientation is set by genetic and developmental factors in the womb.

  So when my wife catches me in bed with another woman, I can tell her that it isn't my fault. I am genetically predisposed to being a horny dog.

  Will you bring flowers to my funeral?
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  mrhhome

  DJS

  Justice was served.

  So you are happy that a family was driven into financial ruin and all their other customers denied their service because they would not grant a homosexual couple an exception to a policy that they consistently applied to hetrosexual couples.

  Odd definition of justice. Which one of us is the hate monger?
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  mrhhome

  Quendi,

  I can only believe [those relationships] are superficial and shallow.

  I would like to thank you for this smug, presumptuous, self-righteous statement. It led to an epiphany.

  In the non-JW world, we learn to live with people with which we disagree. That may be a foriegn concept to ex-JW. We do not DF people who disagree with us. We do not shun family and friends. Somebody may get mad if we touch a sensitive chord, but eventually (we hope), they will get over it.
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  KateWild

  His mum knows he is likely to be gay. Love is unconditional.-abba

  LOL! Mums always know if they pay attention to their kids, yes love is unconditional. I wish the boy all the best for his future and I hope the church always support him no matter what his sexual orientation is in the future

  So when my wife catches me in bed with another woman, I can tell her that it isn't my fault. I am genetically predisposed to being a horny dog.-Mrhhome

  Sexual promiscuity has nothing to do with sexual orientation. If people are disposed to being promiscuious it is a choice and evidence of a lack of self control and morals. There is no promiscuity gene. There is a predisposition for some to have addictive personalities and some are addicted to sex and multiple partners, gay and straight. But most people see it morally superior to be monogamous and have self control. Hence the gay couple wanting to get married and be recognised as monogamous.

  I feel your comparrison isn't appropriate I am afraid.

  Kate xx
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  mrhhome

  jws,

  Fear the corporations more than the government!

  Good luck with that. I am glad that you can count on the government to protect you from those evil, vile Chirstian business owners. After all, those politicians are altrustic individuals who care deeply about your welfare. Let me know how that works out for you.
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  Quendi

  Mrhhome wrote, "Will you bring flowers to my funeral?"

  While I wouldn't mourn overmuch, I would gladly give a donation to the local GLBT community center in your name. Since you number gays, blacks, Democrats and Baptists among your friends, I'm sure you wouldn't mind making such a posthumous contribution.

  Quendi