Obama Speaks as The Great Whore (page 2)

scotoma

DJS:

You should have decided to ignore.

Read again. Obama is not the whore. He is the current spokesman. The USA is playing the role of the harlot. The USA has an empire over the kings of the earth. The USA is still the richest entity on earth. All those with ships at sea have become rich due to "OUR" shameless luxury. The US merchants are the top ranking men of the earth. Russia's deathstroke has healed and it prepared to create its Eurasian Union of the "Kings" who have not received power but will receive power for one hour with the Wild Beast (Revived 7th head but now an 8th yet one of the seven). These Kings will hate the Atlanticists and will destroy Babylon the Great after the USA pushes Russia (King of North) too far.

Ukraine is the red line. It is the essential piece that is needed if Putin is going to create his Eurasian Union. It will not end well for the USA.

I am an atheist yet intrigued by the events that match up with bible prophecy.

I don't expect anyone to follow me. I maintain my anonymity. I could care less about organizations religious or otherwise.

Apognophos

How could the Bible have accurate prophecies if the Bible God doesn't exist?

hybridous

Maybe these 'prophesies' are merely geopolitical extrapolations from ages past? Is that what you're getting at, scotoma?

scotoma

Maybe there are cosmic "big brothers" who are interested in keeping other sentient life from going extinct.

They can't intervene unless extinction was certain.

They likely have seen this situation many times in many places in the multiverse.

They could look at where intelligent life would start (tropical) area and proceed outward.

Stages of the evolution of civilizations could be plotted.

One popular geopolitical theory is the world island theory of Sir Halford Mackinder, George Kennan, and Jozef Pilsudski. This idea has been the driving force behind the relations between Russia and the USA.

The final battle that results in the Great Tribulation is not between good and evil but it is given a geopolitical orientation of North against South.

The South pushes the North and the North prevails.

ATTRIBUTION: ALEXIS DE TOCQUEVILLE, Democracy in America, ed. J. P. Mayer,
trans. George Lawrence, vol. 1, part 2, Conclusion, final paragraphs, pp. 412–13 (1969).
Originally published in 1835–1840.

QUOTATION: There are now two great nations in the world which, starting from different

points, seem to be advancing toward the same goal: the Russians and the Anglo-Americans. Both

have grown in obscurity, and while the world’s attention was occupied elsewhere, they have
suddenly taken their place among the leading nations, making the world take note of their birth
and of their greatness almost at the same instant. All other peoples seem to have nearly reached
their natural limits and to need nothing but to preserve them; but these two are growing…. The
American fights against natural obstacles; the Russian is at grips with men. The former combats
the wilderness and barbarism; the latter, civilization with all its arms. America’s conquests are
made with the plowshare, Russia’s with the sword. To attain their aims, the former relies on
personal interest and gives free scope to the unguided strength and common sense of individuals.
The latter in a sense concentrates the whole power of society in one man. One has freedom as the
principal means of action; the other has servitude. Their point of departure is different and their
paths diverse; nevertheless, each seems called by some secret desire of Providence one day to
hold in its hands the destinies of half the world.

If humans can see this it wouldn't be hard for some other technically advanced world with sophisticated statistical analysis to figure out much more.

Band on the Run

When all is factored, I am very proud of the United States. Some countries are jealous of our continued power. Let those who critize, sign a enforced agreement that they would do better. No, I hear jealous.

Apognophos

Sorry, but the Bible prophecies are so vague and complex that it's a bit like solving a puzzle where the painting is of a starfield and all the puzzle pieces can be interlinked. You can put that puzzle together lots of different ways and it will still look right. Similarly, the Bible prophecies will continue to be "fulfilled" as long as man continues on this planet. There is nothing new under the sun. History repeats itself.

But just for the record, Revelation's "whore" was Rome. That's why she sits on "seven hills". The number 616/666 is likewise a numerical version of Nero's name and the healing of the beast is a reference to the Roman legend of Nero redivivus. The book was a not-so-subtly-encoded screed against Rome, persecutor of the early Christians of the time.

Now you can put the book down, go outside for some fresh air, and live your life.

scotoma

Band on the Run,

Stop running and start reading american history.

When you make a statment that starts out with "WHEN ALL IS FACTORED" that is a red flag that you are engaged in special pleading because you obviously haven't considered ALL factors. What's worse is that you must be skipping over the massacre of Indians in the process of stealing their land. You also really haven't factored in the practice of slavery and the inhumane treatment of slaves.

Nor have you factored in the 500,000 children that died in Iraq as a result of the embargo. These are just a few of the atrocities that have been committed by the USA. Do you need to see an exhaustive list of these things?

The USA is NOT a city on the hill except perhaps in the senile minds of the Ronald Reagan types.

scotoma

Apog:

OK if Babylon the Great is/was Rome what is the Wild Beast she was sitting on? You know the Wild Beast that all the earth admired?

If you can explain it better than what I present go ahead. I doubt you can.

The one rule you need to follow is the characters that fullfill the prophecy must be "significant".

BizzyBee

Other than the Revelation bits, I agree with all posters' comments.

As my pa used to say, "Might makes right."

Apognophos

The whore and the beast are largely the same character, Rome. It's just that the woman is the city and the hills are its rulers. In other words, the prophecy was that eventually one of its rulers would turn on the city. Read Rev. 17:9-11. The beast's seven heads are seven hills/mountains, which in turn are also seven kings -- "five who have fallen". The writer was connecting Rome's famous seven hills with a prophesied number of caesars.

Like modern important figures who died out of sight of the public, many did not accept the death of Nero, and it was rumored that he would one day reappear and march on Rome with an army, seeking vengeance for their betrayal of him. He had almost succeeded in destroying Rome before; next time he would succeed. He was the eighth king who would "go off into destruction" (17:11) and "completely burn her with fire" (17:16). Leolaia explains it in detail here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/124761/1/The-Seven-Churches#2208311.

Keep in mind that Peter also used "Babylon" as a code word to refer to Rome in 1 Peter 5:13. Leolaia gives other examples of early Christian writings which used this same code.

Obama Speaks as The Great Whore

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