Classic Conditioning?

Eutapro

Yours truly is a student studying classical conditioning and the role it plays in the life of ex-jws. Do you think that CC works both ways? Could ex-jws leave the organization because the world (as jw teach) negatively conditioned them? Maybe ex-jw left because of classical conditioning (S-R) they received from internet sites like this one.

detective

This has definitely got to be one of the most transparent ruses offered up on this site in awhile.

Here's what I'm thinking:

You may well be "studying classic conditioning" but you have another agenda as well. You obviously have a link to witnesses that you don't feel like revealing at the moment. You were either raised in, studied it, are active in it or have family that is.

Assuming you are legitimately interested in the thoughts of ex-cult members, are you focusing entirely on witnesses and if so, why? Are you exploring other high-control groups? Is this a sociology project or a psychology project for you? Is this for your own personal benefit or for schooling?

I just find it interesting that a scientist-type seems to take the tone that life in a high-control group (cult) is normal and those leaving it abnormal.

AlanF

What a dork!

Go way, troll.

AlanF

NeonMadman

I think you also need to study a bit more about what classical conditioning is. Classical conditioning operates only with regard to involuntary responses. The usual textbook example is Pavlov's dogs, who were conditioned to salivate (an involuntary response) when a bell rang. Any conditioning that would cause someone to join or leave a religious organization would be operant conditioning, not classical.

On the other hand, if an elder gets an erection when he disfellowships someone, that might be an example of classical conditioning.

Tom

"Gentlemen, he said, I don't need your organization, I've shined your shoes, I've moved your mountains and marked your cards. But Eden is burning"
--Bob Dylan

Eutapro

[Assuming you are legitimately interested in the thoughts of ex-cult members, are you focusing entirely on witnesses and if so, why? Are you exploring other high-control groups? Is this a sociology project or a psychology project for you? Is this for your own personal benefit or for schooling?]

I prefer not to use the term "cult" which methinks is a fictive reality. My interest in jws is not important right now. Eu will just admit that he has a background with them. My interest is psychological and I am working on a project for school at this time

:I just find it interesting that a scientist-type seems to take the tone that life in a high-control group (cult) is normal and those leaving it abnormal.:

I have not spoken about what is normal or abnormal. You may well know that abnormal psychology is a hotbed of debate. Eu is trying to just focus on a very narrow subject right now and he will probably be more of an observer here than anything else.

[I think you also need to study a bit more about what classical conditioning is. Classical conditioning operates only with regard to involuntary responses. The usual textbook example is Pavlov's dogs, who were conditioned to salivate (an involuntary response) when a bell rang. Any conditioning that would cause someone to join or leave a religious organization would be operant conditioning, not classical.]

I would disagree. Peek this website: http://www.dushkin.com/connectext/psy/ch06/compare.mhtml

Yours
Eu

ballistic

Hilda / Eutapro troll still here?

SYN

Hilda, we are ALL conditioned, baby. Some are just better conditioned than others. Your chromosomes are a very forceful type of conditioning. We are truly a product of our environment and past.

"Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox." The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 p. 293-4 - The Sacredness of Human Blood (Reasons why vaccination is unscriptural)

NeonMadman

I would disagree. Peek this website:

So what is the involuntary response you are suggesting results in the operant behavior of joining or leaving a religion?

What the website you point out suggests is that, under certain circumstances, classical conditioning can produce an operant behavior, essentially as a side effect. But the original response is still involuntary (e.g., the girl has a "fear reaction" on hearing the sound that she associates with seeing the rat). I can't think of a way that such a scenario would play out in terms of joining or leaving a religion.

Tom

"Gentlemen, he said, I don't need your organization, I've shined your shoes, I've moved your mountains and marked your cards. But Eden is burning"
--Bob Dylan

ashitaka

what rhymes with MOLE?

ashi

orangefatcat

Leopards never change their spots.

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