I believe shunning for disassociation goes beyond freedom of religion. shunning is a form of congregation discipline. If you leave a group then you should no longer be subject to disciplinary actions from that group. If you leave your job for example they cannot continue to punish you. I believe it's unlawful to force members to continue to punish you once you no longer accept the authority of said group. However, If you still acknowledge the authority of the governing body and wish to be reinstated after violatimg a JW rule, then I believe there's nothing the government can do To stop you from receiving discipline.
Why is shunning NOT a violation of Nat'l and Int'l law?
by Zoos 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Wild_Thing
The government can't force people to associate and talk to everyone, and thank goodness they can't!
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clarity
Seems kind of strange in a day when " bullying"
is on the forefront, and so much effort put into
stopping it. Always talk shows about school
& internet bullying. Yet religious/cult bullying
is not even considered! Maybe we need to do
more advertizing!
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ABibleStudent
Guiding principles and laws of governance are for governments to comply with and are not applied to organizations such as religions by governments.
I would be very happy if governments would established basic rules that non-profit and charitable organizations must follow to receive government support and tax exemptions, and tax deductions for donors. I would like non-profit and charitable organizations be required to promote non-discrimation, which would prohibit using shunning/marking/not associating; reporting violent felony crimes to local law enforcement; and provide a service that benefits individuals/society and which the government does not provide.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
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talesin
Clarity
You are so right!
It's funny though. Bullying of adults is acceptable in the workplace (unless you are a visible minority, disabled or other 'special interest' group). It's common corporate practice. Toe the line, no matter how we treat you, or you're FIRED. And in this economy, well, most workers are no more than wage slaves.
Our society is so hypocritical. I do find that when people learn the reality of shunning, most are quite taken aback. I don't know what the solution is.tal
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JeffT
It goes both ways. Do you want the government to tell you you have to go to the DC and be with your family and friends because they have a right to associate with you?
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Zoos
The government can't force people to associate and talk to everyone...
This isn't about forcing anyone to like me, associate with me or even talk to me. It's about having a policy in place to punish me for changing my religious views.
The existence of that written policy, a policy the WT boldly professes, is in violation of law. If an individual chooses not to speak to me or associate with me, that's one thing. But to arrive at that decision to ostracize me because of a religious corporate policy...? A corporate policy that even threatens other individuals with the same treatment if they don't shun me...?
That's another matter.
I know I'm wasting my time trying to figure this out.
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rebel8
I have posted about this as well, but more from the perspective of how to publicize and operationalize this violation to the advantage of the victims.
But The Universal Declaration of Human Rightsis not a law.
