Could this happen to the Society and how?

by Giordano 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    Disgusted by waves of scandal, Ireland’s Catholics are boycotting Mass and
    turning their backs on the church

    http://theweek.com/article/index/263824/everything-you-need-to-know-about-irelands-disaffected-catholics

    "It used to be easily the most Catholic country in the world. The church's connection to the
    island nation dates to St. Patrick's conversion in the 5th century.............In 1984, nearly 90 percent of Irish Catholics went to Mass every week. But by 2011, only 18 percent did. It's a massive cultural shift. The scale was greater in Ireland than in any other country.

    Across the world, the Vatican routinely protected individual priests who were raping boys and, to a lesser extent, girls, responding to complaints of abuse by transferring offenders to other parishes. Ireland had hundreds of such cases, but because of
    the church's enormous power there, it was not just individual priests who were
    involved, but large institutions.

    Until the 1990s, the church ran orphanages and
    industrial schools that warehoused 30,000 children deemed delinquents —
    pickpockets, or the poor, or those with unmarried parents.

    The 2009 Ryan Report found that thousands of children were savagely raped or molested in these homes, while thousands more were beaten and starved and forced to work. Boys described nights of terror, lying in bed waiting for priests to come and molest them...................

    A new scandal has rocked the church, with the recent discovery that up to 4,000 infants and children — many malnourished and poorly treated — had been buried in
    unmarked graves at homes for unwed mothers run by Catholic nuns.

    The string of revelations has undermined the very legitimacy of the church...............
    has deeply shaken Irish faith. The priesthood has lost
    its luster, and enrollment at seminaries has plummeted.

    In Dublin, there are just two priests under the age of 40. Across the country,
    two thirds of priests are over 55. Some towns are already sharing priests,
    having Mass at the local church only every other week. Well over 80 percent of the Irish still identify as Catholics, but now they practice their religion privately.

    Tourism at Station Island, where St. Patrick had his religious epiphany in the 5th century, is way
    up. Disaffected Catholics are using the site as a kind of private church, a way
    to worship unmediated by the hierarchy.

    .............. Father Gerard Moloney wrote in The Irish Times. "The
    church has provided its enemies with weapons of mass destruction. It has no one
    to blame but itself."

    Could the Society be setting itself up for a big falling out?

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    The difference is JWs are a cult. We can hope for a massive falling out, but it might not ever happen.

  • Divergent
    Divergent

    Great news! The Catholic Church deserves it... anyway, don't think this would happen to the Society, unless they come up with some new stupid prediction which fails...

  • westiebilly11
    westiebilly11

    there are some ticking timebombs.........child abuse scandal....elders ( not just one but entire body of) concealing evidence from police.....money grabbing exercises ....duff prophecies...fading light....monotonous routines.....boring meetings..youngsters being warned off higher education and careers.....internet age with masses of info for the doubting...it all adds up to a decline sooner or later. The whole elder arrangement is nothing more than an exclusive men's club......it surprises me that women put up with their neglible roles in the cong. Even cults run out of puff....eventually.

  • problemaddict
    problemaddict

    This will never happen to the Watchtower society.

    Two reasons.

    1) The culture of NO dissent tolerated, without nayone REALIZING that is the culture.

    2) The world doesn't care enough about JW's to make then newsworthy. They are page 7 footnotes.

    That is all.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    The dubs that I know are in denial - the sheeplike ones bleat that "It is all the lies of Satan, of course it does not happen" and the smarter ones just blame the few odd rogue B of E that messed a case unintentionally......

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    This will never happen to the Watchtower society.

    Two reasons.

    1) The culture of NO dissent tolerated, without anyone REALIZING that is the culture.

    2) The world doesn't care enough about JW's to make then newsworthy. They are page 7 footnotes.

    Never happen is too strong a statement in view of the fact that the Society has experienced serious losses through out it's history. "The most significant split began in 1917...............

    A number of schisms developed within the congregations of Bible Students associated with the Watch Tower Society between 1909 and 1932. [ 2 ] [ 3 ] The most significant split began in 1917 following the election of Joseph Franklin Rutherford as president of the Watch Tower Society two months after Russell's death. The schism began with Rutherford's controversial replacement of four of the Society's board of directors and publication of The Finished Mystery.

    Thousands of members left congregations of Bible Students associated with the Watch Tower Society throughout the 1920s prompted in part by Rutherford's failed predictions for the year 1925, increasing disillusionment with his on-going doctrinal and organizational changes, and his campaign for centralized control of the movement. [ 2 ] William Schnell, author and former Jehovah's Witness, claims that three-quarters of the original Bible Students who had been associating with the Watch Tower Society in 1921 had left by 1931. [ 4 ] [ 5 ] [ 6 ] In 1930 Rutherford stated that "the total number of those who have withdrawn from the Society ... is comparatively large"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Student_movement

    1925 didn't help them, nor 1975 and yes they have been able to bounce back from failed predictions.

    The Catholic church will bounce back in Ireland but no one will pay the same kind of attention to them and children who will be raised Catholic will be raised differently.....blind obedience will be gone.

    In my opinion the JW Pedophile issue, as more and more cases come out, will eventually change the minds of many believers. Eventually the Society will have to make massive changes if they want to survive as a viable association.

    If it happened in Ireland the most Catholic of countries for the last 15-16 centuries it could happen to the WTBTS.

    The catalyst may be the Conti Case if the judgment, any really high judgment, sticks it will be news worthy and it will encourage more cases.

  • designs
    designs

    The turn-over is still pretty high in JWland.

    Kind of like going to a Mall and seeing cheap stuff for sale, you leave soon enough.

  • kneehighmiah
    kneehighmiah

    I agree with designs. According to several studies the JWs already boast one of the highest attrition rates of any religion. It's a revolving door in JW land. Most Irish likely still identify as catholic, but have no interest in attending mass. At least they are allowed to not attend without being hounded by elders.

  • A.proclaimer
    A.proclaimer

    Problem is that child abuse situations aren't well aware for JW's compared to Catholics. JW's will deny it if someone was to speak about it because of the "clean" image the organization tries to portray. They will also doubt the information. Unless there's more awareness, people will contonue on. It's information control and minimal coverage that helps thrive.

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