The Sept 15 WT " Are You Convinced That You Have The Truth? Why?

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  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    This article title leapt out at me and I thought that at last we may see some solid argument as to why the WT teaches what it does, some "reasoning on the Scriptures ".. Well..

    The theme scripture set a good scene, being Rom 12.2 " Prove to yourself the good and acceptable and perfect will of God" . OK , let's prove it - logically.

    The article starts by citing the Witnesses neutrality and refusal to bear arms as a reason to believe. Now I happen to agree with that stand , but is it unique to J W's ? No. Quakers, Seventh Day Adventists and Christadelphians are known for this also and no doubt others, along with many individuals who have an aversion to wars and are just "conscientious". So there is no proof of being the only truth there.

    Next we discuss at length "The greatest educational work in history" That is some statement when one thinks of the billions of mankind over millennia. We learn of the many languages they work in and the hard work of the preachers. But does that prove that they preach the truth? It only proves that they have a good business model and keen workforce. Is the message of a millennial kingdom by Christ unique to them? A quick reference to Wikipedia shows that it is not, far from it .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism

    The scale of their work has been surpassed by the Church of LDS (Mormons) who claim twice as many members in about the same length of time. That is not a reasoned argument to accept that they have the truth

    We are given five comments by believers, all of whom give emotional rather than rational reasons to believe, and that is it , with a final exhortation to do more Ministry.

    No Watchtower, you will have to do better than that if you want to be convincing that you really have "the Truth". At least Freddie Franz would delve into scripture and spend pages confirming his reasons for the conclusions he reached ...even if the conclusions were doo lally...! Perhaps that is the problem, is there nobody today who knows, or cares why . They are just told to keep the faith and believe, but even as the old song says " You've Got to Have A Reason To Believe"

  • Londo111
    Londo111

    "For we do not dare to class ourselves or compare ourselves with some who recommend themselves. But when they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding."--2 Corinthians 10:12

    Nobody else does what we does! That is the refrain of every cult.

  • westiebilly11
    westiebilly11

    ...self praise is no recommendation...

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    "Next we discuss at length "The greatest educational work in history""

    Pfft. It's truly become the greatest dumbing-down work in history. Now that I have improved my education, I realize how JWs don't really have thinking or problem-solving skills. Those things are discouraged by the WT mantra, "listen, obey, and be depressed." There's no room for research, think, discuss freely, and grow.

  • stuckinarut2
    stuckinarut2

    "we have the truth because we say you have the truth, and no one with strong spirituality should doubt that"

    etc

    Circular reasoning!

  • Ocean1111
    Ocean1111

    This article title leapt out at me and I thought that at last we may see some solid argument as to why the WT teaches what it does, some "reasoning on the Scriptures ".. Well..

    ...

    No Watchtower, you will have to do better than that if you want to be convincing that you really have "the Truth". At least Freddie Franz would delve into scripture and spend pages confirming his reasons for the conclusions he reached ...even if the conclusions were doo lally...! Perhaps that is the problem, is there nobody today who knows, or cares why . They are just told to keep the faith and believe, but even as the old song says " You've Got to Have A Reason To Believe"

    I think I agree with where you are coming from. In a 1970 snapshot I feel JWs did have "the truth", atleast they were engaging for spiritual thrillseekers and adventurers in a unique way. I can see now when world government as a natural process of the nation-state itself does finally crystallize I will see JWs did point out it's classic root system as the internationalist "League of Nations" in 1919. Now true, others see this past and present, but JWs did make it a parallel theme of "God's Kingdom come", a world government is the apex form of rivalry to a "Kingdom" JWs were also preaching at that time, in a live and real-time fashion. JWs gave "Armageddon" the two clear players for that world government "showdown of all showdowns". JWs made it real for the first two UN presentations, they were in the ring.

    I mean JWs were "cutting edge" in 1950 as far as global geo-politics and globalization without ever mentioning those words not yet coined at that time. JWs were making the "world government" climax more real. They were bringling on the "chicken" game with world government coming down a one way road and God and Christ "Kingdom" was coming up the other way. They were naming names (like the Anglo-American national alliance and the UN elites) and they were making elite enemies and Rutherford, Knorr and Franz could give a flying finger who they "disturbed", they called it as they saw it, they saw it leading to "Armageddon", it was the most exciting religion, in my opinion, because of this balance of dancing on a volcano, this brazen taunting of a sleeping lion.

    Even if they were making it all up it was a rush to see someone slapping the global elite king in the face. JWs used to be spiritual daredevils.

    ..

    But then it all changed, but JWs do not realize it all changed, it changed oh so gradually. In time the second UN placement of 1945 faded, and a 3rd UN placement in 1990 was not only fully ignored, instead Bethel joined the global promo as UN NGO. When the next UN salvo of adrenaline pumping presence came forth in 1990, that should have been the biggest news to hit Bethel since UN 2.0 of 1945, an opportunity to send a flaming retort and revamp the high, JWs didn't even show up for the fight. The stay hungry attiude had a flat spare tire. JWs saw nothing special in a 3rd UN globalization era triggering world governemnt "new world order" statement and presentation world tour.

    Now when the removal of the USSR to Anglo-American expansion occurred sparking the "new imperialism" jolt, Bethel said nothing. Now when socialism was scrapped by Russia, China and India adding 2 billion people to the late-capitalist 2.0 globalization effort, Bethel acts like it is still 1970. Now when Russia, China nd India JOIN the Anglo-American internationalist wave of global domination, Bethel acts like it is 1960. Though globalization is the main "gathering" (Rev16:13-16) force of world government, Bethel says nothing. Now even Ron Paul has more to say on the world government subject live and real-time, Bethel is a fossil, a picture of the past, a dated commentary, a dated world view, a backward projection. That there are therefore obviously four UN cycles total, to the world government end, is fully ignored by Bethel. Bethel no longer keeps up with world reality, and applies NOTHING of note to prophecy that was not already done by 1970.

    In other words Bethel is in a time warp, Bethel is a boring facade of a once vibrant "cutting edge" religious in your face ministry. Bethel is a broken record, and it uses that endlessly parroted past to make JWs think it still is "the truth". In fact Bethel repetitive plagiarism of itself aids it's waving watch hypnotic quality. JWs are drunk with the Bethel wine. Bethel is a complacent satisfied unadventurous burnout.

    The only "truth" left at Bethel, is Bethel is the classic apostasy if ever there was one.

    They join the UN-DPI as UN NGO, they cover up post 1990 as the greatest era of globalization in stats that are a tsunami of evidence of this reality, they hoodwink JWs as if they are "cutting edge", they sell a glam, literally retarded, "attractive religion", and they distract JWs with echoes from the past, and over-organizational busy body hypnotics. Bethel is a big Kabuki, a play, a production, an act, a sham, a bottle, a crate of sleeping pills. Backwardness is Bethel's business, downward spiraling JW growth and spiritual progress is their main product, making it look like a monumental work of productivity is their main sham of claims, walking off with 4 billion in JW assets is their payday. And part of the effectiveness of this delusion is keeping JWs in a snapshot of the past, in a worldview time warp as well, progressing no further than 1970. Now YouTube, 12 year olds and rappers explain world government far better and fresher than dated JWs.

    Bethel is a bore now, totally irrelevant except as a classic case of top down apostasy sold as "the truth", and diverted with attention to everyone else as the "apostates" when in fact at the center of Bethel sits the modern men of lawlessness LITERALLY "lifting themselves over everyone" while they cover up the final two UN world government cycles. Bethel even has the opposers considering themselves as "apostates" while the Bethel apostates subvert both JWs and even their critics' identities, and JWs eat it up as if it was 1955...

    But it's not 1955, nor is it 1970, it is 2014 and JWs are 50 years behind world developmental times, and have derailed in their prophecy tracking assignment aborted at 1970 relevance, it too is 50 years behind. Even if it was all bull, might as well keep it ballsy by at least acting relevant, but now JezeBethel is instead a self-neutered sow comfortable in it's own mire, selling it to JWs as a pearl of truth. It is worse than boring, it is comatose and actually kinda sad, the branding of irrelevance on yesterday's glories. A 1950 Jehovah's witness wouldn't be caught dead in that abomination called the Bethel ministry of today. It's a classic case of spiritual corruption at terminal proportions and maturity. The only way is down to make it all official.

    Obviously the 1976 "Governing Body" experiment in spiritual tyranny has something to do with this spiritual abandonment. In fact it is the primary guidance system puppet show that guides the delusion under the "Moses" accepted claims, but they replace even Christ and the Bible for the "commands of men".

  • Oubliette
  • factfinder
    factfinder

    The wts has printed much more literature than any other religious group!

    That does not mean they have the truth of course, but they COULD brag about that if they wanted to!

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Almost everyone is certain they have the truth. You see this in virtually all of Christi-SCAM-ity. Islam and Judaism are not that much better. Every sect thinks theirs is the truth. Many Eastern religions have been corrupted by one or more of these foul programs and also think theirs is the truth. And many atheists are so sure they have the truth, too. And even Satanists think they alone have the truth.

    Difference: True Satanists are expected to question that they have the truth. They are expected to research things, verify things, and not take for granted that they are in the truth. When you stop questioning, you are setting yourself up for scams and cults, not to mention being stuck with errant beliefs. By questioning things, not only are you protected against cults and scams, but your inevitable errant beliefs will eventually be exposed and eliminated. When you trust a small group to do this for you, and they are scammers, you are only going to make bad beliefs (which need to be exposed and fixed) even worse. Notably, the Judaic, xian, and Islamic religions fail to expect adherents to question their faith--most prohibit such questioning, allowing people to harbor errant beliefs and still think theirs is the truth.

  • androb31
    androb31

    Going by #'s alone they only prove that the literature of the JWs sucks at making converts. If they had the truth it would be far more attractive than it is. Here is one small ministry based in Colorado Springs that does door to door preaching and for the number of peices of literature they place compared to the # of people that respond favorably is not even close. They make the JWs look silly.

    http://www.ehc.org/from-the-field-statistics

    From the Field Statistics

    *stats are updated annually in April for the previous year

    Historical Totals
    Homes
    Reached

    Literature Distributed

    Decisions/
    Responses

    Christ Groups Started
    1953 through 2013 1,645,824,185 3,501,984,899 139,282,519 245,590

    5 Year Harvest
    Homes
    Reached

    Literature Distributed

    Decisions/
    Responses

    Christ Groups Started
    2013 92,291,657 174,017,737 16,122,120 25,574
    2012 82,575,947 158,242,576 13,768,777 24,567
    2011 82,627,492 165,380,068 14,078,011 29,261
    2010 77,349,522 151,322,613 13,904,165 21,434
    2009 66,574,603 141,289,138 12,579,523 19,005

    Daily Average
    Homes
    Reached

    Literature Distributed

    Decisions/
    Responses

    Christ Groups Started
    2013 252,853 476,760 44,170 70

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