Thanks DJS for a breath of fresh air on these conspiracy theories.
Malaysian flight crash in Ukraine VS Flight 93 in Pennsylvania
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Twitch
Good thing the Bilderbegers, Rockefellers, Freemasons, and Lizard-eyed replicants all have deep pockets.
Indeed
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prologos
I am not interested in conspiracies, but in things that magically levitate, having seen the ZEPs at age 3, so it was good to hear the US turn down he retoric. memories of the Vincennes a humbling thought perhaps? and pictures of the penetration by projectiles from the outside into the front skin of the plane.
There was a picture of two plumes up. one at heights as if made by the already partially burning plane and a separate going off at right angle in the ground wind AFTER impact. a picture taken apparently from the west looking east.
The remarks by Apo about the expelled light debris, rolls of toilet paper are interesting, reminds me of the escaping air of the collapsing waves at pipeline, gas chamber on Ohahu's north shore.
closing a chapter on souls lost when losing altitude uncontrolled.
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yadda yadda 2
So terribly sad, such a tragic waste of precious human lives, babies, children, families. What a semi-barbaric world we still live in. And some just seem to want to turn this into an intellectual/mystery novel exercise.
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pbrow
I think it was the late Hitchens who said something to the effect of (I am quotting loosely here) "The smartest president in the history the the United States could not hide getting a blowjob in the Whitehouse but the dumbest president in history could hide & cover up arguably the greatest terrorist attack against us in four different locations"
And besides.... Steel doesnt melt... there is no way the bldgs were not rigged with explosives!! (sarcasm finished)
pbrow
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Apognophos
Haha, that's a great quote. And to think, all that they had to do to hide the evidence in one case was to wash a dress. In the other case the only thing they needed to do was hide evidence of demolition materials that were buried in a mountain of rubble, hush up dozens of workers, etc. etc. It becomes more of a joke the more secrets you realize would need to be kept.
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NotNew
Exactly...
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fulltimestudent
prologos:
memories of the Vincennes a humbling thought perhaps?
Thnx for that reminder, mate! I'd been thinking of that incident, but could not recall where/what exactly.
The web based journal, the Week, summarises a couple of similar incidents:
MH17 - just another mistake: remember the USS Vincennes
America never apologised for shooting down an Iranian passenger jet, killing 290 people, 66 of them children
COLUMN LAST UPDATED AT 08:55 ON WED 23 JUL 2014 In the dismal book-keeping of civilian airliners shot down by military forces, the destruction of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 is as clear an example as any of an incident in the cock-up column rather than the conspiracy column. It should come as no surprise that US intelligence officials briefed reporters yesterday that the plane was most likely hit by mistake.
Russian-backed Ukrainian separatists did not intend to bring down a civilian airliner; what they wanted to do was to shoot down a Ukrainian air force plane. It was not an act of terror but an act of war: in the most brutal and unforgiving style of warfare known to mankind, civil war.
There seems little doubt that the missile that destroyed the plane was supplied to Ukrainian separatists by Russia. President Putin, who runs a tight ship, must have given authorisation. However, he clearly did not intend the weapons to be used against civilians and wasn’t expecting what happened.
Nor was anyone else. Despite a stream of intelligence suggesting that anti-aircraft weapons had been made available to separatists, much of it made public in the past few days by Secretary of State John Kerry, Western aviation authorities with whom much of the most sensitive intelligence is shared urgently declined to declare Eastern Ukraine off limits. In hindsight, this looks sloppy.
More relevant today to those political leaders who seek to raise tensions between the West and Russia is the USS Vincennes incident of 3 July 1988. The US Navy destroyer shot down Iran Air Flight 655 as it crossed the Straits of Hormuz, mistaking it for an Iranian Air Force jet. All 290 on board were killed, including 66 children.
The ship’s captain William Rogers III remained in command of the ship until 1989 when he was decorated with the Legion of Merit "for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer ... from April 1987 to May 1989”.
The United States has never apologised: although it eventually paid compensation to the relatives of the victims.
Paradoxically, The Week reminds us of an incident in which a Ukrainian missile shot down a Russian civilian airplane:
Sadly, there is an extensive archive of similar tragedies – most of them cock-ups too. On October 4, 2001, 64 passengers and 12 crew members onboard a Siberian Airlines Tupolev Tu-154 en route from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk were killed when the plane was shot down over the Black Sea… by a Ukrainian missile.
It took a while for Ukraine to come clean but its then president, Leonid Kuchma, to his credit accepted that the Ukrainian military had screwed up during a major live-firing air defence exercise. An S-200 ground-to-air missile (Nato codename Gammon) missed its drone target 20 miles off the Crimean coast and locked on to the next biggest flying metal object on its radar – Siberian Airlines Flight 1812 some 150 miles away.
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fulltimestudent
Another facet to this tragedy, is the question of whether any civilian aircraft should have been flying over Ukraine at all? It was no secret that anti-aircraft missiles were being used, and that aircraft had been shot down.
If the Kiev government (which claims responsibility for all of the Ukraine) had been acting responsibly, they would have closed Ukrainian airspace.
Why didn't they? A simple answer - they needed the money that's paid each time a commercial aircraft enters their airspace. The plain fact is that no matter which country finishes up "owning" Ukraine, its going to cost them a sh*t-load of money.
But the this tragic incident soon cleared the Ukrainian skies of aircraft, as this screenshot shows:
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LisaRose
I just read your post from yesterday DJS, thank you for the compliments!
I agree with what you said about the conspiracy theorists. It's sometimes fun to indulge in a little "what if" type of speculation, but I also know people that do these kind of investigations, and cover-ups of the scope of most of these conspiracy theories are just not possible. You have multiple agencies, at every level that are involved in these things, local, state, and many times multiple federal groups. You would have to believe that people in all these different agencies conspired together to deceive the American people for some reason. It doesn't make sense.
