Jehovah's Witnesses - the Fourth Branch of Judaism

by truthseeker 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    Everything about the JWs points exclusively to Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament.

    Jesus hardly gets a mention. They can't ignore him completely but isn't it interesting that the only publication they produced about Jesus, doesn't even have his name on it. It's simply called "The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived"

    I was watching the "Caleb" animation documentary on JW.org. Not once did I hear the word Jesus. Not once. And at the end, some young kids said, "Thank you Jehovah"

    It's really freaky to watch.

    Look at some other ways JWs are similar to Old Testament Judaism

    Approach to God

    JWs are taught that Jesus is not their mediator. That we have the Governing Body as a mediator. We can only be friends of Jehovah through his undeserved kindness.

    Christianity teaches that everyone can have a relationship with Jesus and he can be freely approached, that God is his father.

    Works or Grace?

    JWs are a "works based" religion. Even if you spent 90 hours a month talking about Jehovah, it matters not if you don't hand in your time sheet. Only a business would require its employees to report their time and only a business would promote an employee for working his butt off. An elder once told me that the "Circuit Overseer won't look at any brother whose hours are less than 10". You have to preach their message or risk being labelled blood guilty for not warning the wicked, i.e. anyone who is not a JW.

    Christianity - we are saved by grace through faith. Ephesians 2:8 says "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."

  • Gentledawn
    Gentledawn

    It's very telling that the Watchtower religion allows regional building committee workers count "ministry" (service) time when all they are doing is swinging a hammer, pouring cement, landscaping, surveying, etc, etc.

    But any elders who call on already baptized members of the congregation? Not only do elders NOT get to count service time "shepherding" honest-to-goodness PEOPLE (i.e. not inanimate objects or real estate), they are not to keep track of the calls they make in general.

    So yeah. Watchtower is not teaching christianity. They're teaching some weird form of Judiasm, which is why they rely so heavily on old law codes, such as the two-witness rule (Deut 19:15) because it works in their favor. But when it comes to actual no-witness rule (Deut 22:25)?

    25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

    Or the "false prophet put to death one", which the Watchtower leadership is guilty of (Deut 18):

    17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”

    21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.

  • zeb
    zeb

    watchtowerdocuments.com/cases/Zalkin-Watchtower's_Points_and_Authorities_in Reply_to_Opp_to_MSJ_12-16-11.pdf

    see page 7,

    Wherein it reports WT lawyers saying in a court that.."Field ministry is not controlled by Elders,the congregation or Watchtower."

    and "An individual publishers field ministry activity, including time and manner it is carried out is a personal matter between a publisher and his God"

    see page 7 of the above.

  • Gentledawn
    Gentledawn

    watchtowerdocuments.com/cases/Zalkin-Watchtower's_Points_and_Authorities_in Reply_to_Opp_to_MSJ_12-16-11.pdf

    see page 7,

    Wherein it reports WT lawyers saying in a court that.."Field ministry is not controlled by Elders,the congregation or Watchtower."

    and "An individual publishers field ministry activity, including time and manner it is carried out is a personal matter between a publisher and his God"

    see page 7 of the above.

    Jehovah's Witness Elders Question A Brother For Not Turning In Field Service Time

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy3ZlxLEy6U

    Oh, he went out in field service. He just didn't want to count or turn in his time. And that was a problem. One of the elders after the meeting states (23 minute mark) that he considers not reporting field time to be worse than pornography.... ya know, even tho Jesus said it would be better to tear your eye out than to look upon a woman with desire. Matthew 5

    27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

    Also at approx 10 minute mark of the video, one of the elderberries asks the man, "who in the bible is our mother?" WTF? They use Proverbs 1:8, stating that the Borginization is our mother. Jesus H Christ.

    Proverbs 1:8 - "Listen, my son, to your father’s instruction
    and do not forsake your mother’s teaching."

    Just downright creepy. Talk about twisting the scriptures. That little tidbit just about takes the cake.

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    So yeah. Watchtower is not teaching christianity. They're teaching some weird form of Judiasm, which is why they rely so heavily on old law codes, such as the two-witness rule (Deut 19:15) because it works in their favor. But when it comes to actual no-witness rule (Deut 22:25)?

    Wow, I wasn't aware of this scripture. This seems quite damning.

  • James Brown
    James Brown

    Amen, Truthseeker.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    I think its worthy to reflect upon the fact that the WTS. has strenuously strived to make modern day Christendom look

    false and untrue in their form of worship.

    There has been a long history of this organization demeaning other Christian based religions to that effect.

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    With that intent in mind they have gone as far to not call their congregational meeting places Halls and not churches

    for example. So the lessening of worship directly to Jesus Christ followers in step from the intent of separating their

    organization from the rest of Christendom.

    There is no question that the WTS. have immersed their theological teachings and doctrines from the OT of the bible,

    focusing more on Yahweh the father(Hebraic teachings) rather than the son, in spite of the fact that Jesus said

    himself that its only through him that one can gain salvation and ever lasting life.

    One could say then that the JWS religion is more of a blend of Judo-Christian traditional style of worship and adherence.

  • BackseatDevil
    BackseatDevil

    First:

    Jehovah's Witnesses have a disturbingly perverse and disgustingly warped view of the Hebrew Scriptures. They, like everyone from the Luther/Calvin movement on, take the Old Testament to places of literalism that are shockingly offensive to those for whom the original scriptures were intended.

    And if interpretation and complete ignorance to the history and development isn't enough... The name of the Hebrew god is NOT translated into “Jehovah.” It was in the 1800s... but it is not TODAY. In learning Judaism, it is not just the lessons of the scriptures that are important, but also the development. “Studying the bible” doesn't mean studying just the CONTENTS. It means studying how the scriptures came to be, why they were written, understanding the culture of the time, and the way these words helped a nation keep their heritage, culture, and history while giving life lessons, wisdom, song, and strength.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are in NO WAY similar, in the realm of, or respectful of Judaism. They are in no way even remotely close. If you want to do yourself a favor, please find an online college course on the old Testament and take it before ever making such a horrifying claim. You will find out that, even the Jews are not so daft as to believe the first words witten in all of human history were "In the beginning..."

    Second:

    If you read the books of the New Testament in order of date written (instead of the order they are in now), you will see how, over the course of the century, the divinity of Jesus was continually raised higher and higher. This was not only because of competing Christologies trying gain traction, but also the natural course of human behavior. This is why earlier books like James and 1&2 Thessalonians read with Jesus being more of a divine prophet while older literature like John & the Letters put Jesus as being God's right hand or God himself. Religions pick some random location on the timeline and decide to build doctrine out of it. The Catholic Church took the later developments and built the trinity (as it is somewhat implied in the bible) while Protestants take Jesus from a little earlier in the bible writing.

    So it depends on which Christianity you are talking about because not all Christianity teaches that one can have a relationship with Jesus and that God is the Father.

    Third:

    Jehovah's Witnesses are not a religion of works. They do not actually DO anything. They create a situation that doesn't exist and then do THEIR works according to THEIR own minds. They are, by structure, no different than televangelists. Televangelists take a “problem” and solve that “problem” by doing THEIR version of what “works” are. Then they feel good about themselves and tell everyone what good work they are doing. In actuality they are doing nothing. Jehovah's Witnesses do no help the poor, open hospitals, feed the hungry, donate to charities, give back to the community, aid in times of natural disasters, or help the world become a better place in any measurable way.

    They do help THEIR OWN PEOPLE... and in their heads, this is considered “works...” and they actively brag to others about all the "good work" they are doing. But just because that is their opinion doesn't make it reality. It would be like a husband who is an avid bowler buying a bowling bag for his wife for her birthday. Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT a religion of works. They are a religion of THEIR works... but not any determinable works of movement when it comes to humanity.

    They are a self-imposed working relision just do nothing. If they were to disappear overnight, no one in the world would even notice. That is NOT the effect of a religion of works.

  • James Brown
    James Brown

    Jehovahs witnesses are linked to the illuminati.

    Russell is of the illuminati blood line.

    One of the things the illuminati do is to lead people away from Jesus.

    I would say that is about the only thing the JW's do well and are a success at.

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm

  • minimus
    minimus

    Illuminati now?? Ok jb, it all makes sense now.

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