Another fact is that Jesus believed in the doctrine of hell (as it appears in the Gospels). I was just expelled from a forum of ex-witnesses, just for declaring that Jesus had to believe in hell as a man of his time. Of course, It does not mean that Hell must exist, but Jesus taught this doctrine. The Church Fathers did not take it from the Greek Philosophy, because many greek concepts were already assimilated by the Essenes and the Pharisees well before the first century.
The Watchtower and its absurd accusations against the Church Fathers
by opusdei1972 15 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Brainfloss
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blondie
The WTS often cherrypicks quotes from these fathers, ones that support their own notions and then at another time blacken their teachings and as bad resources.
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Band on the Run
The apostle John did not write John. He would be ancient. Perhaps it was a protege of John or just someone who liked the stories of John that circulated. How do the Witnesses know apostolic from apostate times? It is poor scholarship. I admire the early church fathers. Augustine is one that I read in college. When I read Constantine's Sword, I found out that Augustine was behind a lot of antiSemitism. The same person could do good and bad. Sounds just like today. The WT writers were not present to witness events.
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HowTheBibleWasCreated
Most of these church father's writing themselves were likely forgeries... As for John writing John this is problamic in many ways. Ireanuis writing are admitably forgeries of the late second and early third centuries and even if a guy did pen John named John what portion did he pen?
1. The seven signs from John 1-15?
2. The Prayer in 16-18 (An addition)
3. The passion in 19,20 (based on the gospel of Pontius Pilate so early second century)
4. The last chapter likely very late in early third century
5. Lastly the 7:53-8:11 narritive... added after the Vulgate 400+CE
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opusdei1972
1. The seven signs from John 1-15?
2. The Prayer in 16-18 (An addition)
3. The passion in 19,20 (based on the gospel of Pontius Pilate so early second century)
4. The last chapter likely very late in early third century
5. Lastly the 7:53-8:11 narritive... added after the Vulgate 400+CE
How do you know the above?.....I clearly see that the last chapter is a later addition, but I thought it was added after "the beloved disciple died" around the year 100. Who was that beloved disciple?