Looking for details about the Org , property ownership and not a religion in Mexico

by Crazyguy 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Crazyguy

  I was unable to find any details on this on jwfacts, anyone have details on the WT not being a religion so they could instead own property?
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  No Apologies

  They called themselves an educational organization, not a religion. They could not sing at the meetings. They made up some bogus story about how the evil government was persecuting them.

  I don't have any references, but this is fairly well known.

  No Apologies
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  disposable hero of hypocrisy

  Any evidence?
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  williamhconley

  1995 Yearbook p.211-213 states that from 1932-1943 the Watchtower was registered as a religious organization. However the government required that all property used for religious purposes become federal property. For that reason the Society changed their registration to a "Cultural Society" that educates. This meant that the brothers can no longer sing, pray and use the Bible in their "cultural" meetings. This way they sacrificed the worship of Jehovah, singing praises to him and using the Bible because owning their property and assets was much more important than praying, singing & using the Bible. They made the Government believe that they just educated people culturally and were NOT IN ANY WAY a religious organization.

  99.9% of Mexican Witnesses today don't realize that the Governing Body CHOSE to do away with public worship in order to keep their assets. Even traveling overseers believe the evil demonic Mexican Government oposed their worship when in actuality it was deliberately CHOSEN BY THE GOVERNING BODY.

  They could've kept praying, singing and using the Bible at meetings but they would have to surrender their Kingdom Halls, Branch facilities, Assembly Halls to the Federal Government. When the laws changed (late 80's early 90's) and religious organizations were allowed to keep their own property, the Governing Body changed their registration as they were no longer a Cultural Society and the brothers were told they can now sing, pray & use the Bible at their meetings.

  The naive, ignorant sheep of course saw this as Jehovah's blessing and shed tears of joy when they were told the news. All along it was the Governing Body that compromised the worship of God for their own benefit.

  When a leader or a group of leaders control the thinking of their members, their lives, their emotions, their family relations and convince them that bullshit is good for their health......there's a good chance that it a fucken cult.

  William H. Conley
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  Splash

  *** yb95 pp. 211-213 Mexico *** (edited)

  However, there were obstacles because of the restrictions that the law imposed on all religions. Objections were raised to the house-to-house activity of the Witnesses, since the law stipulated that ‘every religious act of public worship must be held inside the temples.’ For the same reason, objections were raised to our conventions in public places. Owning property also presented problems, because the law required that every building used for religious purposes had to become federal property.

  For these and other reasons, the Society decided that it would be wise to reorganize, with a view to giving greater emphasis to the educational nature of our work. Therefore, on June 10, 1943, application was made to the Secretariat of Foreign Affairs to register La Torre del Vigía as a civil society, and this was approved on June 15, 1943.

  With this rearrangement, singing at our meetings was discontinued, and the meeting places became known as Halls for Cultural Studies. No audible prayers were said at meetings, though nothing could prevent a person from saying an earnest prayer silently in his heart. Every appearance of a religious service was avoided, and truly our meetings are designed for education. When Witnesses in other lands began to call their local groups “congregations,” the Witnesses in Mexico kept on using the term “companies.” House-to-house visits by the Witnesses continued, but direct use of the Bible at doors was avoided.

  *** yb95 p. 233 Mexico ***

  In 1989, with the approval of the Governing Body, a letter was written to all the “companies” saying that as of April 1, we would be operating in Mexico as a religious organization.

  During this same time period (1943 - 1989) the WT hypocritically printed:

  *** w79 5/15 p. 21 par. 15 Prayer in These “Last Days” ***If we compromise in order to avoid persecution, then, of course, there would be no need to keep on praying. This would not only indicate a lack of faith, but would also result in our losing the evidence of being one of God’s Christian servants.

  *** w74 4/1 p. 202 Does Fear of Neighbor Control Your Life? ***Those few of Jehovah’s witnesses who denied their faith while in the German concentration camps during World War II were held up to ridicule before the entire camp by the Nazi officers, reviled as hypocrites and cowards. Some of them were asked, “Now that you have denied your God Jehovah, what god will you serve?”

  *** w70 4/1 p. 219 par. 16 When Building Disciples, Motivate the Heart *** (Malawi)When a Christian witness of Jehovah of Ntifinyire Village was beaten for refusing to purchase a political card, Banda’s youths took a knife and made cuts encircling his arms and then his legs and inflicted many cuts on his head. Other Witnesses had six-inch nails driven into their feet, bicycle spokes were forced through their legs and then these Christians were told to run. Still others were tortured with a burning stick placed against their arms, legs, head and entire body. Still these Witnesses refused to compromise their religious beliefs or deny their God Jehovah under such barbaric torture. You may be called upon someday to prove your faith. How will your faith stand up?

  *** w57 8/15 p. 496 par. 11 Happy Are the Peaceable ***Though total support and worship is demanded by Satan’s organization today, true Christians follow the example of the faithful Hebrew men of old, who refused to compromise their worship, even though threatened with death.

  *** w57 2/1 p. 75 Faith Conquers the World ***Christendom likes to sing hymns about “Dare to be a Daniel, dare to face the foe,” but by their course of action they show that they do not have the faith of Daniel. They see only some visible enemies and even with them they compromise.

  *** w52 5/1 p. 264 par. 17 1914 a Marked Year! ***Thus in spite of Satan’s ironlike governments and their strong powers of persecution Jehovah’s people in all ages have stood apart and survived. It is only those who have shown a lack of faith and who compromised that would take themselves out from under God’s special care.

  I'm sure that the prophet Daniel would be very proud of them for following his example of non-compromise.

  Splash
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  cultBgone

  Just Wow.

  It would be amazing to see a bulleted list of the hypocritical manipulations the wts has pulled over the decades. This is a doozy, but Malawi was probably the worst? Building and maintaining Beth Sarim (the "house of princes") and Beth Shan have to be included. I'm sure there are many, many others which are known to some on this board and it would be something to see...kind of a cheat sheet for planting wtf seeds.
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  Watchtower-Free

  hmmmmmm
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  hoser

  I remember this. I remember a brother from our book study group was on vacation in Mexico and had said he went in field service but wasnt allowed to use his bible. This would have been mid 1980's. It all makes sense now.
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  clarity

  This organization not only tells you of the

  horrible crimes that could happen......but

  the also cause & set-up the horrible treatment

  for real! Don't believe me? Look at what they

  say..........>

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  “Now that you have denied your God Jehovah, what god will you serve?”

  *** w70 4/1 p. 219 par. 16 When Building Disciples, Motivate the Heart *** (Malawi) When a Christian witness of Jehovah of Ntifinyire Village was beaten for refusing to purchase a political card, Banda’s youths took a knife and made cuts encircling his arms and then his legs and inflicted many cuts on his head. Other Witnesses had six-inch nails driven into their feet, bicycle spokes were forced through their legs and then these Christians were told to run. Still others were tortured with a burning stick placed against their arms, legs, head and entire body. Still these Witnesses refused to compromise their religious beliefs or deny their God Jehovah under such barbaric torture. You may be called upon someday to prove your faith. How will your faith stand up?

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  Do you see what they did? ...Telling is not enough,

  they go to any length to SHOW YOU...to put the

  a huge fear into you, so that you bootlick, and

  grovel and cower before them, depending on THEM

  to save you!

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  They think that all of the torture, ruined lives & deaths,

  as just .......collateral damage! Nothing else.

  Listen obey & be blessed.......huh !!!!!!!

  #@%%$%%%

  clarity
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  Crazyguy

  Is there any proof of the Mexican government showing that religions could operate in Mexico but could not own property and this is the only reason the org would not be a religion?