Finding out about Hemopure and its allowed use by the WT was the last straw for me at never going back. Thier blood doctrine is just plain Murder and if there really was such a thing as blood guilt the GB would roast!!!! I saw a movie last night that had people killing babies without them knowing what they were really doing, it made me think of the blood doctrine and brought me to tears.
what year was the blood liason commitee started and was it really put into place to help get ones to take blood, fractions and hemopure?
by Crazyguy 16 Replies latest watchtower medical
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rebel8
Help people get more fractions? In jw fundieland, fractions were and are taboo. The HLC, if anything, interfered with dubs getting fractions.
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steve2
This is a no-brainer: The HLC was set up to ensure the rank and file adhered to the organization's no blood stand.
But the HLC was even worse than that: It presented a "nicely" orchestrated veneer of "reasonableness" around the anti-blood teaching and effectively served to monitor the hapless Witness's stand against blood. Could you ever in your wildest imagining, see the HLC totally comfortable with Witnesses "freely" choosing to take blood and there being no consequences in the local kingdom hall? There for the brothers and sisters be damned.
Never before has Big Brother stood so closely to the bedside of patient-doctor privilege.
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blondie
You would be surprised, maybe not, at the rank and file jws that wait until they are being wheeled into the ER to mention it to their doctor...chanting "no blood, no blood" to the nonjw staff in ER. I learned this from several elders pulled out of their beds to run down there and do interference. Medical organizations tend not to accept verbal wishes suddenly pulled out of the air by patients. Nothing in writing.
Yes, the HLCs interfere now in the medical care of jws more often than every before. Pressure them to get HCPOAs.
I have an ongoing relationship with the head of surgery of a large university hospital. He remembers the days when jws could not get organ transplants and he needs help with the doublespeak of the elders. There are 2 groups, the elders who make friendly visits to those in hospitals, and the elders who are primed with the right legalese to use. I talked to him about the practice of leaving the charts outside on the patient's door or a little counter and that they should be inside the room in a private place not accessible to the elders who walk in uninvited.
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nonjwspouse
On the yuku ex jehovahs witness page there is a poster that has been and continues to do extensive research on the history and changing rules of the blood issue. It is highly interesting and really eye opening. The legal department has a whole lot to do with the fraction issue. Most r&f have no complete idea what is ok and what is not, heck even the HLC many times is misinformed or confused. There is big money in the "bloodless medicine" and has been for quite some time. The cell saver machine would not have had enough testing on humans if it were not for the built in Jw willing guinea pigs. Its a goldmine of willing human participants ( and many have died as a result of the alternative. But no lawsuits, see the massive unequaled Legal benefit? Blood products and procedures. That is not reported on of course to the JW. The OSCE is also Involved ( an arm of the UN) look up the featured speakers and submited "professional" papers and do the research and you will see. This is highly linked, but the full extent is not completely clear.
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Lee Elder
It is difficult to know the precise motivation for setting the committees up but we can speculate that the initial purpose was to assist Jehovah's Witnesses in locating physicians were were supportive of providing alternative "non-blood" therapy as well as to assist physicians in learning how to treat Jehovah's Witnesses without forbidden blood products. The use of blood serum, clotting factors and albumin predate the HLC arrangement.
HLC's will typically be summoned when local elders become aware of congregation members who are running into difficutly obtaining non-blood alternative therapy. They have also come to be the "front line" for educating JW's about the acceptability of various blood products or procedures that JW's may use with the WTS blessing. Like all elders, including the Hospital Visitation Groups, they will feel compelled and duty bound to report any knowledge of deviation from current WT policy which will lead to judicial investigation and potential disassociation with the accompanied shunning.
Lee Elder
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OrphanCrow
HLC's will typically be summoned when local elders become aware of congregation members who are running into difficutly obtaining non-blood alternative therapy.
And how handy it is when there are clinical trials that are designed specifically with Jehovah's Witnesses in mind.
The JWs make for an ideal trial group - not only do they not smoke, but it is relatively easy to recruit to clinical trials when you have an entire Watchtower Society department behind your recruiting process. Which involves big money, by the way - drug companies pay well for trial recruiting.
This is a clinical trial that was approved in August 2010.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01183988?term=jehovah%27s+witnesses&rank=1
The group that is primarily targeted in the above drug trial is pregnant Jehovah's Witness women whose babies would normally require an exchange transfusion.
The purpose of this protocol is to make Stanate® (Stannsoporfin, tin-mesoporphyin) available to infants who meet the following criteria: 1) the infant has a very high level of bilirubin without an adequate clinical response to phototherapy 2)requires exchange transfusion and 3) the family refuses to allow the administration of blood products, particularly on religious grounds, such as the Jehovah's Witness Community.
The study was initially "by invitation only".
ENROLLING BY INVITATION - A clinical study that selects its participants from a population, or group of people, decided on in advance by the researchers. These studies are not open to everyone who meets the eligibility criteria, but only to people in that particular population, who are specifically invited to participate.
In May 2014, Infacare, the pharmaceutical company that produces Stanate, applied for and got approval to change the clinical trial to 'Expanded Access" and the trial has been extended to 2017.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00076960?term=jehovah%27s+witnesses&rank=2
Expanded access:
http://www.fda.gov/ForPatients/Other/ExpandedAccess/ucm20041768.htm
Expanded access, also called “compassionate use” is a regulation that makes promising drugs and devices available to patients with serious or immediately life-threatening diseases.
Just as in clinical trials, these investigational drugs/devices have not yet been approved by the FDA and they have not been proven to be safe and effective.
They may be effective in the treatment of a condition, or they may not. It is important to remember that the drug/device may have unexpected serious side effects and that patients need to consider all the possible risks when seeking access to an investigational drug or device.
Did those JW women who listened to the HLC, concerning their maternity care, know that they were/are part of a clinical trial? How informed, really, was their consent in accepting Stanate as an alternative treatment for their babies? Or did they just let the HLC exercise their 'power of attorney' in making the decision to enroll them and their babies in a clinical trial?
Do the JWs who let the HLC make their medical decisions really know what they are receiving for alternative treatment when they refuse allogenic blood transfusions? Do they realize that the HLC are actually acting in the capacity of recruiters for clinical trials and medical studies?
And yet another example of JWs being used for drug trials (this study was published in 1990):
Abstract
We evaluated the safety and efficacy of Fluosol DA-20% (FDA) as a blood substitute in the treatment of severe anemia. Thirty-six patients received either FDA (n = 21) or crystalloid/hydroxyethyl starch (CHS) (n = 15) as part of a randomized, controlled trial. Ten pa-' tients received FDA as part of a humanitarian protocol. All were Jehovah's Witnesses who refused transfusion, had bled recently, and had average Hgb levels of 4.3 g/ dl
Out of the 36 patients, a total of nineteen died.
Nineteen patients died: 12 (37.5%) FDA, seven (46.6%) control.
The conclusions of the researchers:
In this study, inability of FDA to sustain increased oxygen content was due in part to the rapid elimination of FDA and also to the limited amount given. Repeat infusions of FDA to maintain a steady fluorocrit could lead to sustained oxygen content increases and improved survival. Further studies of FDA seem warranted.
Cool...the researchers shouldn't have too much trouble finding subjects for "further studies".
All they will have to do is drop a line to the Watchtower Society and the Hospital Liasion guys can set that right up for them.
How many JWs have had experimental procedures and/or drugs given to them without knowing that they were being entered into a clinical trial or medical study?