WHO would Jesus Christ DIS-FELLOWSHIP? A look at the problem of DF-ing

by Terry 15 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Terry
    Terry

    Loving and forgiving are a huge component of Jesus' message to his disciples.

    In answer to the question as to HOW MANY TIMES forgiveness should be offered to an offender, Jesus gave the reply, "Seventy (times) seven." (variously interpreted as either 77 times or a multiple of 70 times 7).

    An example is given of a man who owed a considerable sum of money whose debt was forgiven. This man failed to forgive a much smaller debt owed to him. He was identified as a scoundrel for failing to pass on the spirit of forgiveness to the one indebted to him.

    Jesus ministry is presented in scripture as a ministry which brings about forgiveness for the human race alienated from God.

    In view of the above---how can a Christian Witness of Jehovah allow an organization to make the decision ON HIS BEHALF as to who may or may not be forgiven?

    Further, is not the act of shunning a personal decision for a personal affront? How can another party (or group) decide this for you?

    These are the two questions I'd like to raise.

    Jesus was chided by members of his own religion (Judaism) for healing on the Sabbath in clear violation of the letter of the Law. Jesus pointed out that the purpose of the law was not to bring death and judgement, rather, mercy and forgiveness.

    If this were true in Jesus' own words---how can a body, group, organization condemn your friend, brother, wife, son, daughter ON YOUR BEHALF and order you to NOT forgive them?

    Where would this agency or proxy acquire the authority to do so?

    Either Christianity is a religion of mercy, grace, forgiveness and long-suffering or it is a religion like Judaism fretting over rules, regulations and infractions.

    Where is the merit in Christ's sacrifice if it fails to include stray sheep from the flock of God?

    Jesus gave an example of the shepherd who leaves the 99 sheep who are doing just fine in order to GO AFTER AND BRING BACK the stray sheep who wanders off (electively on his own.)

    If disfellowshipping and shunning were God's intention---why would the Good Shepherd not stay with the 99 and say "Good riddance" to the one stray? What is the basis for saving the stray if it is not the intention of God to save the ENTIRE flock no matter the straying tendency of the "one" who disconnects?

    Not praying for somebody because you are instructed thus by religious leaders seems to be a violation of the purpose of Christianity.

    Declaring a Christian unforgiven and unforgiveable is unadulterated HUBRIS.

    When the crowd was about to stone the feckless woman for adultry (according to the Law) Jesus stepped in and raised an important issue for consideration BEFORE carrying out condemnation. IS THE EXACTING OF JUSTICE worthy of the one exacting it---when that same person is guilty before god of ANY sin himself?

    This would tend to indicate only a SINLESS person should EXACT JUDGMENT.

    What is your view?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Judgment is left to God.

    We forgive so that we may be forgiven, we forgive because it is a must in the healing process.

    There may come a time for judgement but that judgment is left to the One that KNOWS our thoughts, knows WHY we do what we do.

    No one else is qualified to judge, much less SHUN anyone.

    Jesus even forgave those that rejected Him KNOWING Who and What He was.

    But, free will is free will and everyone is free to decide for themselves, free to choose what to do.

    Very good post Terry.

  • Terry
    Terry

    The GB, the Borg, the FDS, those tarnished "kings and priests" do love the huff and puff when they blow your house down, don't they?

    It fills their hubris full of--what? It fills them full of, well . . . THEMSELVES!

    But, that isn't the only thing these feckless rascals are full of, now is it?

  • designs
    designs

    Jesus ever so lovingly told the Pharisees to 'go to Hell' in fact he offered to drive them there.

    ....I think he really hated to be crossed :D

  • Terry
    Terry

    I see what you did there!

  • naazira
    naazira

    If shunning were so important Jesus would have stressed it, but he did not.

  • designs
    designs

    No Jesus was such a sweet guy he just told everyone in shouting distance he held the keys to the gates of Hell. Lovely psycho....

  • darwin
    darwin

    Read the book Misquoting Jesus. Bart D.Ehrman. Just one word.Pseudepigraphy. Later.

  • sunny23
    sunny23

    But, that isn't the only thing these feckless rascals are full of, now is it?

    Pecans and tootsie rolls?

  • sunny23
    sunny23

    John 8:7-11 says "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”“No one, sir,” she said.“Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”"

    The WT org has taken the first 11 verses of John 8 entirely out of their newest 2013 bible! My mother who is still "in," was talking to me on the phone about how distressed she was about my MS brother who has been "casting stones," at my parents for their lacking meeting attendance and cruise ship gambling. It brings her to tears frequently. I quoted John 8:6-11 and she totally agreed that my brother should be more like Jesus. Then I said that I found it weird that the NWT2013 doesn't have this scripture in it anymore. Peaked her curiosity and she is looking into it hopefully. Many tried to use this scripture in defense of DF'ing and once the WT caught wind that there are some other bible translations that ommit this story of Jesus due to it's lower level of reliability, they jumped all over taking it out to enforce their mindset further!

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