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  • bemused
    bemused

    Don't call me Shirley - thanks for the response. I probably shouldn't have bothered commenting initially and I certainly won't comment again on this thread, but I'll have one final go at explaining my point.

    You may well be right that it was inappropriate for Sammie to use that figure in her argument. I don't know and I don't care. I had no interest in bolstering her argument or otherwise. The one and only point that I was trying to make is that, regardless of the appropriateness of using that statistic in her argument, 100,000 is not a ridiculous over-estimate of the number of Americans who are injured or killed by a gunshot in a typical year.

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    It's always amazing to watch how people struggle to think outside the box.

    We're not struggling, sammie. We just are not interested in fantastical musings based on child-like fantasy.

    If, in support of an argument I was making, I said, "what would Ice Giants think if they saw Wookies eating Pterodactyl steaks in the same restaurant as Smurfs? Would they think Americans are socially backwards?"

    Where does a rational adult even go with that scenario? It's absurd. Yet, you are using the same argument to bolster your viewpoint...then stand befuddled when we call you on it. And, try being honest: you were using that example to promote your personal agenda.

    Americans are comfortable with gun violence inside their own country

    If this were true, then there'd be no gun debates, would there? No gun legislation at all. I am a gun owner and I am deeply concerned about gun violence. I hate it.

    I posed an alternate viewpoint that as usual a few people just don't have the comprehension skills to engage

    You can use intellectual bullying all you want, sammie. It doesn't add one iota of credibility to what you say. This type of bullying is a sure sign you've got nothing to add to the conversation, so must resort to ad hominem attacks. A pity.

    Actually, we do have the "comprehension skills" to engage...that's why we called you on it.

    ---

    @ bemused--

    we're on the same page. I have no quarrel with you.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson becomes an international incident

    Ferguson protest A global audience is watching events in Ferguson with shock and sympathy -- but also a sense of superiority Russia urges U.S. 'to pay more attention to restoring order in their own country' before worrying about others Commenting on events in Ferguson, Iran's official news agency says violence is 'institutionalized' in U.S.

    Amnesty International has sent monitors to the scene. Palestinians are tweeting advice on how to cope with tear gas. Tibetan monks have showed up to offer prayers. Russian officials, Iran’s official news agency and China’s state-run media are offering lectures on human rights abuses.

    What started as a small-town police shooting of an unarmed 18-year-old black man in suburban St. Louis has quickly become an international incident.

    As the unrest in Ferguson, Mo., stretches into a second week, scenes of cops in military-like vehicles clashing with protesters are being beamed around the world. A global audience is watching the events with shock and sympathy -- but also a sense of superiority and schadenfreude.

    Related story: Missouri governor orders National Guard to help quell Ferguson unrest

    For countries that are often on the receiving end of human-rights lectures from Washington, the situation in Ferguson, Mo. -- the violence, the race troubles and arrests of American journalists -- has presented an irresistible opportunity to turn the tables and accuse the U.S. of hypocrisy.

    “The Ferguson incident once again demonstrates that even in a country that has for years tried to play the role of an international human rights judge and defender, there is still much room for improvement at home,” China’s state-run New China News Agencysaid in a commentary published Monday, just hours before Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon ordered National Guard troops into the city. “Obviously, what the United States needs to do is to concentrate on solving its own problems rather than always pointing fingers at others.”

    But Chinese media haven’t been devoting as extensive coverage to the Ferguson unrest as have their counterparts in Russia, where the story has been featured prominently on TV news.

    Russian officials have taken an even more strident tone -- perhaps not surprising, given the toxic atmosphere between Moscow and Washington of late. Taking note of the unrest in Ferguson, the Foreign Ministry urged “our American partners to pay more attention to restoring order in their own country before imposing their dubious experience on other nations.”

    The United States “has positioned itself as a ‘bastion of human rights’ and is actively engaged in 'export of democracy' on a systematic basis,” but “serious violations of basic human rights and barbaric practices thrive” in the country, Moscowsaid in remarks Friday responding to a U.S. report to a United Nations committee on racial discrimination. [Link in Russian]

    In Iran on Monday, Ferguson was top news, even overshadowing a magnitude 6.2 earthquake that injured dozens. The Islamic Republic News Agency, the government’s official news service, commented that “violence has become institutionalized in the U.S. in recent years, but since President Obama, the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner, came to the White House, the violence has intensified, and now it has erupted against blacks in Ferguson.”

    A prominent Cuban news site, Cubadebate, asked in its opinion pages: "Is the Ku Klux Klan coming back with force?" [Link in Spanish]

    "Now, as in times past, we can see the brutal segregation and abysmal inequality for blacks and immigrants, in housing, education, work [and] public health, and yet other human rights violations in the so-called most democratic nation in the world," the column by Cuban journalist Lillian Lechuga concluded.

    Even in tiny countries such as Sri Lanka, which doesn't have particularly strained ties with the U.S., the Ferguson situation has become a cudgel to hit back at Washington.

    Taking umbrage over a U.S. security warning to Americans on Aug. 8 in connection with an increase in protests and anti-American sentiment in Sri Lanka, the island nation’s Daily News opined: “For the U.S. to issue a travel warning for Sri Lanka does seem odd at a time when there are race riots in Missouri.”

    “The world is concerned about gun violence and its toll in the U.S., and even though the U.S. president says he is concerned as well, he has not been able to do anything about its epidemic prevalence,” the paper said.

    The press in Mexico has provided steady and fairly straightforward coverage of the Ferguson case, but there have been commentaries that condemned police abuses and the treatment of minorities, the kinds of things for which Mexico often gets taken to task.

    “It is worth remembering that in the neighboring country there are frequent cover-ups … of extreme police abuses against black youth,” the leftist daily La Jornada said in an editorial last week.

    Gabriel Guerra Castellanos, a former Mexican diplomat and political consultant, wrote in Monday'sEl Universal newspaper:

    “The images are shocking, outrageous. If someone were to tell us this was the old South Africa, or the U.S. South half a century ago, we’d believe it.” [Link in Spanish]

    Guerra went on to blame, among many factors, the militarization of urban police forces.

    “In the middle of 2014, a police force that looks more like an invading army is attempting to take over the small community of Ferguson,” he wrote. “There are police and politicians who prefer a Blackhawk helicopter to patrol cars. Anyone can inflate their childhood fantasies as they wish. But size does matter, and in this case, less is more.”

    Scenes of tear gas, Molotov cocktails and flash grenades in Ferguson have surprised many in Egypt, the Palestinian territories and other places where such violence is more common.

    A popular blogger in Cairo, who writes under the pseudonym The Big Pharaoh, tweeted a picture from Ferguson and commented: “Nope, this is not Egypt or Turkey. This is in the USA.”

    Mariam Barghouti, a university student and blogger in the West Bank city of Ramallah, has tweeted out tips for reporters and others in Ferguson who face tear gas from police.

    “Remember to not touch your face when tear-gassed or put water on it. Instead use milk or coke!” she wrote last week.

    Voicing solidarity with those facing off against police in Missouri, she said a “made in USA teargas canister was shot at us a few days ago in #Palestine by Israel, now they are used in #Ferguson.”

    After taking the highly unusual step of sending human rights monitors to Ferguson, London-based Amnesty International on Sunday called for state and federal probes into Brown’s death, as well as the tactics of Ferguson police. Atop the group’s U.S. website, its “Stand With Ferguson” campaign gets equal billing with its “Gaza Crisis” and “Panic in Iraq” briefings.

    “Amnesty International has a long and tested history of monitoring and investigating police conduct, not just in foreign countries, but right here at home in the United States,” Amnesty USA executive director Steven W. Hawkins said in a statement. “Our delegation traveled to Missouri to let the authorities in Ferguson know that the world is watching.”

    America’s persistent problems with gun violence and racial divisions -- in a time with an African American president who advocates stricter gun control -- are perplexing even to its closest allies.

    Britain's Telegraph newspaper published an opinion piece from a U.S. scholar explaining to online readers why “a black president couldn’t stop the Ferguson race riots.”

    Meanwhile, Germany’s Der Spiegel interviewed a security expert who opined that what transpired in Ferguson could never happen in Germany. [Link in German]

    n the U.S., "the police quickly appear very militarized. That would never be the case in Germany. We are very restrained in our use of guns; they are weapons of last resort,” said Marcel Kuhlmey, professor in the department of security management at the Berlin University of Economics and Law.

    “In the U.S., it seems to me, the police are far quicker to resort to guns,” he added. “Even at the training stage, there is a much heavier emphasis on shooting” than in Germany.

    Special correspondent Ramin Mostaghim in Tehran and Times staff writer Tracy Wilkinson in Mexico City contributed to this report.

    Follow me on Twitter @JulieMakLAT

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    By NBC News staff

    As lawmakers at the state and federal level weigh various measures to stem gun violence, here are some facts and figures on guns and crime, compiled by the NBC News research department.

    The big picture:

    • Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.
    • Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.
    • Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)
    • One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

    Homicides by weapon:

    • Handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1 percent were with shotguns; 3.8 percent were with rifles; 18.5 percent were with unspecified firearms.
    • 13.3 percent of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments.
    • 5.8 percent of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source:FBI)

    Guns and kids:

    • 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources:CDF, CDC, FBI)
    • More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)
    • Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense)
    • Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention )
  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Politifacts

    Fact-checking claims on guns and gun violence

    By Becky Bowers
    Published on Thursday, January 24th, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.

    American history

    George Washington said a free people should be armed to guard against government tyranny. ( False ) Experts told us Washington called for a trained militia to defend the new nation, not a citizens’ stand against their own government.

    "Semi-automatic weapons, whether pistol or rifle, were designed for use by the military on the battlefield." ( False ) Nope — try hunting and self-defense. The military did not embrace the weapons until decades after they were developed. Even today, gunmakers design some semi-automatic weapons specifically for consumers.

    Since 1968, "more Americans have died from gunfire than died in … all the wars of this country's history." ( True ) We tallied about 1.4 million firearm deaths compared with 1.2 million in war. The number of gunfire deaths includes suicides.

    Gun (and hammer) violence

    In 2011, more people were murdered with knives, "hands or feet" or "clubs and hammers" than with any type of rifle. ( True ) FBI data backs this claim — though limiting it to "rifles" ignores a significant number of deaths from handguns.

    "Every day, 34 Americans are murdered with guns." ( Mostly True ) This stat is close, but the numbers have been declining. The average for 2010, the most recent year for which complete figures are available, was 30. Meanwhile, the latest rolling five-year average was 33.

    In 2010, 2,694 young people were killed by gunfire. 1,773 were victims of homicide; 67 were elementary school-age children . ( Mostly True ) It’s important to note that the number of children and youths killed by guns includes suicides and accidents.

    U.S. vs. The World

    "Last year, handguns killed 48 people in Japan, 8 in Great Britain, 34 in Switzerland, 52 in Canada, 58 in Israel, 21 in Sweden, 42 in West Germany and 10,728 in the United States." ( Half True ) The numbers are wildly out of date. They also omit important context, such as population size. But the odds of being murdered by a gun in the United States is far in excess of the risk in the listed countries.

    "Switzerland (where the government) issues every household a gun . . . has the lowest gun related crime rate of any civilized country in the world!!!" ( Pants on Fire ) A Swiss researcher told us claims like this are "absurd." The lowest gun-related crime rate? Not for homicide. Meanwhile, the likelihood of a gun being involved in a robbery or an assault in Switzerland is lower in several other countries. In short, this claim appears to be completely fabricated.

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    I thought you didn't care about statistics, sammie.

    sammie: I could care less what stats you post about guns in the USA - that was never my point

    Or, maybe what you meant is you don't care when someone other than you posts them. Hypocrite.

    Incidentally, for all your posturing, how does any of what you posted validate your alleged link between the hateful religious zealotry of ISIS and legal gun ownership in the civilized world?

    And what does the Ferguson incident have to do with the atrocities being committed by ISIS?

    Please edify us with that connection.

  • Mikado
    Mikado

    Sammie, the one thing I have learnt is that people who are so pro guns never want to hear how the rest of the world regard them....

  • designs
    designs

    Fascinating is seeing Right Wing supporters of police tactics in the US admiring Putin.

  • AlphaMan
    AlphaMan

    the one thing I have learnt is that people who are so pro guns never want to hear how the rest of the world regard them....

    Two things here.

    1. We Americans are sorry the rest of the world is jealous, and does not have the freedom to own guns.

    2. We Americans really don't give a shit how they view us. LOL

  • sooner7nc
    sooner7nc

    Reading sammie's righteous indignation is like listening to George W. say "You're either with us or against us." No middle ground to be had and comparing ISIS to people like me who teach our children to responsibly and safely use firearms. Disgusting.

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