AMATEURS using BAD METHODS: what possible expertise does the GB possess?

by Terry 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • darwin
    darwin

    Terry, She is one of many captives of a concept. Don Cameron's Anatomy of an Illusion,Captives of a Concept, explains that the concept that holds Jehovah's Witnesses captive is their belief that the Watctower Society is God's organization. A study of their history gives evidence that it is not. However it is so very hard to get them to hold still even to discuss Matthew 24:45-47 using Proclaimers of God's of Kingdom book. Its so very sad.

    I know that you know this. BTW. I am half way through your book,"Wept". Talk about it later.

    Blueblades

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I am seeing a change among Americans. It is a start. In my youth, Vatican II was just being called. If we went out in field service and carried a leather book, Roman Catholics would be so impressed. They are taught that scripture alone is not sufficient. Tradition within the church is also needed to understand God's message. My neighborhood had many immigrants with little education. They were decent and very hard working. The WT focused on those beliefs that were never officially sanctioned by the church. They were practices from before colonization. It was exciting for them to purchase a WT.

    Protestants were furious when we came to the door. I felt ashamed. They knew far more about the Bible than the Witnesses did. The Witness arguments only held up in WT lit. If someone, a minister, read consecutive verses, they won the point.

    People don't seem so afraid to ask questions today. Cities are melting pots. There is a glut of religious history on the New York Times Best Seller list. Jumping around is not studying the Bible.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Excerpt from: http://machineslikeus.com/news/origin-religion-7-messiahs-and-prophets-schizotypal-personalities

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    What you find with schizotypals is what is called metamagical thinking, a very strong interest in new-age beliefs, science fiction, fantasy, religion, but in a very concrete, literal form, a very fundamentalist style. Somebody walking on water is not a metaphor. Somebody rising from the dead is not a metaphor; this is reported, literal fact.

    Now we have to ask our evolutionary question: "Who are the schizotypals throughout 99% of human history?" And in the 1930s, decades before the word "schizotypal" even existed, anthropologists already had the answer.

    It's the shamans. It's the medicine men. It's the medicine women. It's the witch doctors.

    It's the shamans who are moving separate from everyone else, living alone, who talk with the dead, who speak in tongues, who go out with the full moon and turn into a hyena overnight, and that sort of stuff. It's the shamans who have all this metamagical thinking. When you look at traditional human society, they all have shamans. What's very clear, though, is they all have a limit on the number of shamans. That is this classic sort of balanced selection of evolution. There is a need for this subtype -- but not too many.

    The critical thing with schizotypal shamanism is, it is not uncontrolled the way it is in the schizophrenic. This is not somebody babbling in tongues all the time in the middle of the hunt. This is someone babbling during the right ceremony. This is not somebody hearing voices all the time, this is somebody hearing voices only at the right point. It's a milder, more controlled version.

    Shamans are not evolutionarily unfit. Shamans are not leaving fewer copies of their genes. These are some of the most powerful, honored members of society. This is where the selection is coming from. What this shamanistic theory says is, it's not schizophrenia that's evolved, it's schizotypal shamanism that's evolved. In order to have a couple of shamans on hand in your group, you're willing to put up with the occasional third cousin who's schizophrenic. That's the argument; and it's a very convincing one.

    Western religions, all the leading religions, have this schizotypalism shot through them from top to bottom. It's that same exact principle: it's great having one of these guys, but we sure wouldn't want to have three of them in our tribe.

    "[T]here are multiple deities", "[T]here is but one god and he is Allah", "I am who I am," any version of this -- is an awful lot like schizotypalism. Who is it that invented the notion that virgins can give birth? Who is it who first came in with the extremely psychiatrically suspect report about hearing a voice in a burning bush? In most of the cases we don't know much about the psychiatric status of these folks. In the more recent historical cases, we certainly do, and schizotypalism is at the heart of non-Western and Westernized large theological systems."

  • Paris
    Paris

    The more I see videos of the GB the more absurd they appear. This has got to be the effect on more than just me. They look weird, they talk weird, their ideas are stupid and they are arrogant. No one is noticing this ?

    This is the age when public exposure will destroy you. We are constantly evaluating public figures, look at how Romney destroyed himself and how severly mocked Obama is, you get on camera and its hard to survive. The public is obsessed with image. There is not a Bill Clinton among them. They make Prince Charles look handsome. And their speeches are like some North Korean dictator.

    The GB is not attractive, or elequant or amusing, or interesting to listen to and they are badly dressed and nobody you would even vote in for dogcatcher. How far do you think they would get in any level of politics ? No PR campaign can help these guys, and now they have exposed themselves on camera, there is no turning back or they will be accused of hiding out.

  • Stealth
    Stealth

    The GB members are amatures, spiritual hacks.

    I have concluded that the success of the WT in spite of these amatures, is due to the appeal of living forever on earth and how easy it is to fool humans.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    The student should be failed or drop the course like a hot potato. Perhaps she believed she was to convert the prof. back within the fold. My relatives would never think about the teachings. When Iwas young, I asked how the religion worked. They told me. I aked how we knew the presidents were chosen b/c, afterall, Roman Catholics believe the pope is selected by Holy Spirit. To me it was obvious that Bethelies were not worth much. All I heard at home were Bethel hypocrisy leaders.

    I doubt that educated, cosmpolitan, and sophisticated people are drawn to the GB. I thought the Holy Spirit should increase the reading level of the ministerial servants in my KH.

    One thing, Terry. It is massive. People know me well before I ever reveal my Witness past. I've had so many worldly people on the floor laughing so hard at the thought of me being a Witness. I re-enact my ten year old, knocking on a door, and asking with all sincerity of an adult, "Do you believe in eternal life."One woman was laughing so hard with her whole body that I seriously thought I might have to call paramedics. If they know neighbors slightly that are Witnesses, my description of the lies and control are rebuked. I stand my ground.

    I flirt with Bethelies on the subway. Only men I flirt with. There is a sense of power doing it. Witnesses are basically Witnesses for emotional reasons. I can tell them about Son of Man forever and they will not believe. So many here were once like that. We should treat them with respect.

  • Stealth
    Stealth

    Being a sycophant is the only real skill required to move up in the WT org. The GB have proved to be the best.

  • Paris
  • Terry
    Terry

    The ultra-conservative Evangelical community (and yes--the GB of JW fame) are circling the wagons because they are under fire

    for being out of touch with the state of academic awareness by Bible scholars concerning the fallacy of Inerrancy.

    I recently watched an old debate between Michael Licona and Bart Ehrman. I really liked the personality, temperament, intellectual honesty of Licona even though he was an inerrantist Southern Evangelical Seminary Professor.

    Well, guess what?

    He was chastised, castigated and torn a new one for being reasonable!

    The high-powered big-wigs who are real GB-types (hardcore inerrancy monsters) got together an FIRED HIM.

    It's a few years old, but I ran across this story in research I've been doing.

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    Southern Evangelical Seminary has fired Professor Michael Licona for proposing that the Matthew 27 account of saints rising from their graves upon Jesus’ death might be metaphorical.

    As reported by Christianity Today (see here), New Testament scholar Michael Licona has apparently lost both his job as research professor of New Testament at Southern Evangelical Seminary and been ousted as apologetics coordinator for the North America Mission Board (NAMB).

    Why? In his 700-page book defending the historicity of Jesus’ resurrection, Licona proposed that the story of the resurrection of the saints described in Matthew 27 might be metaphorical rather than literal history. Why is this a problem? As a result of Licona’s questioning of Matthew 27, apparently some evangelical scholars, most notably Norman Geisler, accused Licona of denying the full inerrancy of the Bible.

    The verses in question:

    50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

    51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split

    52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life .

    53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people .

    It is their club, et cetera, et cetera, but — Seriously! — how is a grown-up supposed to take evangelical scholarship seriously?

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    The WTS were experts when it came to proliferating their literature, their methodology was to make grandiose proclamations

    that Christ has returned and the world was at it end and that all should heed the direction of the WTS to save your own life and lives of others.

    The utilization of fear was an important part of not only attracting people to their literature it was also a viable means to retain

    those who had been lured in.

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    Put to question those engaging doctrines and your sure to labeled spiritually weak or evil to oppose them.

    The WTS put into their organization a position of protection around those doctrines for their own inherent reasons.

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