by cellomould 33 Replies latest jw friends
Jello Mold: I don't think you know what a fundamentalist is. There are some similarities of religious views to the extent that we accept the Bible, but Fundamentalism is largely a political movement. If you are interested in researching this sort of thing, LaRouche wrote a very interesting piece a while back on the connections of the Pentacostal movement. > http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1997/ahc.html
/ You Know
Umm, as a jw, aren't you supposed to be politically neutral? Yet larouche, whose agenda you promote, is one of the most aggressive politicians on the landscape. Seems you've gotten lost in the forest and forgot what trees look like.
SS
YK,
yes, there is a fundamentalist political movement, but political activism it is not a requisite for a fundamentalist group or organization.
Of course I recognize that JWs refrain from political action. But it cannot be said that they are not involved in 'the world'. There are 6 million active JWs and many more inactive or irregular. They are making their voice heard even in abstinence. (i.e. consumer behaviors, etc)
You cannot claim to be a JW and an observer. You are contributing to apathy and ignorance...that is a political view as well.
Take a look at the movie The Man Who Wasn't There. The theme is responsibility. Very good film.
Main Entry: fun·da·men·tal·ism
Pronunciation: -t&l-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Date: 1922
1 a often capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching b : the beliefs of this movement c : adherence to such beliefs
2 : a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles
- fun·da·men·tal·ist /-t&l-ist/ noun
- fundamentalist or fun·da·men·tal·is·tic /-"men-t&l-'is-tik/ adjective
cellomould
"You're crying 'why am I the victim?' when the culprit is YOU" Stevie Wonder
Umm, as a jw, aren't you supposed to be politically neutral? Yet larouche, whose agenda you promote, is one of the most aggressive politicians on the landscape.
I am politically neutral. I don't support the presidential candidate LaRouche. But, LaRouche is more than a mere presidential candidate. He is an expert economist, historian, and political scientist, as well as the founding editor of Executive Intelligence Review. I cite LaRouche, not because I support his political movement, but because he recognizes that civilization, indeed, what we call "the present system of things," is facing imminent collapse into what he calls a "New Dark Age." Not coincidently the Bible uses similar symbolism when discussing the end of the system of things. So, in a forum ostensibly devoted to discussing issues related to the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses regarding the end of the present system of things, that makes the observations of Mr. LaRouche particularly relevant. / You Know
< http://www.saff.connectfree.co.uk/fundcamp.htm
A portion:
THESE ARE THE LIES THAT ARE PEDDLED: Fundamentalist justification is not only very complex (blind 'em with science) it is also ultimately selfcontradicting, weaving together the most damning aspects from Facism, Zionism, Communism, Racism, Pantheism, Gnosticism, Rosicrucianism, Atheism, Agnosticism, Freemasonry, Paganism, Satanism, Abortion, Moonies, Theosophy, Rock Music, Pan-Global Papal Conspiracies, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism etc but as each facet is normally presented piecemeal the criticisms sound convincing to non-committed outsiders and are even entertained to logical argument by occultists who should know better. Often the exact arguments they use are circular and when traced to their logical conclusion in most instances actually end up condemning their own standpoint. E.G. In a psychological rating table designed to identify a misdirected loyalty within cults the higher the marks awarded to total and unquestioned obedience by a single authority the more condemnation is attached.In short their is no logic in these arguments. They are designed solely to appeal to the insecurities of a particular social grouping in order to control the actions of that group. E.G. When converting liberals Facism is put on the agenda. When converting and controlling blacks white supremacy and the Ku Klux Klan is involved. When manipulating white working class folk the talk decends to Zionism and so on. Certain of these scares appeal across the spectrum and are most valuable to those who would wish to manipulate others. As 98% of people end up having offspring the Child Sexual Abuse scare was really useful to the fundamentalists as we saw during 1988/9. All such prosleytizing is based on the Occult Formula of Aquiescence. This basically says that all suggestions which are not instantly refuted by the conscious mind are immediately accepted by the subconscious mind as the logical truth. Whether you convert to a JW has more to do with whether you have exhausted your intellectual arguments than whether their assertions are real or make sense.
THIS IS WHERE IT ORIGINATED: We should be careful of falling into the same Conspiracy Trap that the fundamentalists themselves develop. When victimised by circumstances which seem without our control Paranoia can too easily set in but then, Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean to say they aren't out to get you. But for what reason? Most of the spiritual zombies who make up the rank-and-file of fundamentalism are manipulated by leaders and primed to do their work on the basis of adherence to a philosophy or religious belief but the psychology of their leaders is more human. Whatever altruistic aims a leader may have are outweighed by his/her necessity to get the job done. Whether the aim is to erradicate poverty in the third world or to chase a figment of their own imagination the POWER which is vested in them has to be used and it has to be seen to be used in order for it to continue to be awarded them. The benefits of that power may be monetary gain, political clout, revenge, obsession, sex, exorcism of guilt, fame, noteriety, even more power or any of the thousand and one secret personal reasons which subconsciously motivate humans. This is classicaly illustrated in the current fundamentalist scenario by the involvement of Lyndon La Rouche who's organisation and platoons of 'LaRouchies' instrumentally aided and abetted the anti-occult campaign to the extent of printing the usual child-abuse lies in his Executive Inteligence Review magazine and New Federalist newspaper. He hosted a conference on child-abuse and anti-occultism in Rome and has published and distributed British anti-occult literature in the U.S.A. LaRouche is now in prison for fraud but his actions still perplex analyses in the States. His mammoth multi-million dollar information retrieval organisational system was so well informed that even the CIA and Police used it to garner data on political intrigue and his organisation even met and advised the Whitehouse yet we know that he published and traded in barefaced lies. Originally a darling of the left when he was anti-Facist and published condemnations of Nazi Philosophy and accused everyone of being Right Wing Facists, he spent years working to confound extreme Right Wing groups liasing with Marxists and other left wing groups only to switch from left to middle and then to the extreme right wing of politics latterly being involved in a Neo Facist Anti-Zionist White supremacy stance. Observers have racked their brains to find some logical conspiratorial plan to all this but the simple answer is that La Rouche THRIVED on intrigue and power. Like Hitler he saw how easy it was to manipulate the masses by telling them what they wanted to hear and would change his personal philosophy with the wind when necessary in order to keep that power and influence. A little person who found the secret key to becoming a leader of hundreds of thousands of 'LaRouchies' worldwide. If it hadn't been for the fraudulent funding of his empire LaRouche might even have become another Hitler for his organisation had already fielded several SUCCESSFUL candidates in American politics. The intellectual mind seems to want to enlarge all human activities and DEMANDS a conspiracy and the more complex the better. Such a simple answer as the one above defeats the 'logic' of their thinking yet it is the very same psychology, on a smaller scale, which epitomises the archetypal fundamentalist. Audrey Harper (5) Historically all religions have involved political power to create and maintain their theocracies. Originally changes in religious perspective occured when a civilisation was conquered and a new order imposed. Realising the powerful control over the masses which is contcomitant with large-scale religion all Oligarchies relied upon their priesthood to enforce the status quo as an economical and effective method of imposing behaviour which supported their power structures. Later, changes in political perspective occured in concert with and by agreement of the priesthood. The classic example of this responsibility and interplay of power structures occured during WWII when the Vatican provided an escape route for Jews and other refugees to flee Nazi occupied Europe whilst giving tacit approval to the Third Reich. After the Germans were routed in the allied landings the Vatican in turn provide the same escape route to important Nazis whilst condemning the activities of the Third Reich. Tails we win; heads you lose. TODAY THINGS ARE DECIDEDLY DIFFERENT The same diplomatic gobbledegook and hypocrisy exists but the technological revolution has broken the monopoly on informaton dispersal and distribution. Hence religious edicts now conflict with competing points of view and the cross pollination of information and factual data moves on apace with the Information Technology revolution. Now there is space for everyone to lodge their opinion and that results in schisms of thought and belief aplenty. The well resourced fundamentalist operation kitted out with on-line computers can co-ordinate information and strategy and produce propgaganda which can influence the WORLD from a caucus of half a dozen part-time activists which would have previously only been possible with a permanent public relations office and a horde of full-time professionals. In short the well-equipped fundamentalist group is more able to influence our society and individuals within it, than can the lumbering edifices of the orthodox churches - AND THEY ARE SUCCEEDING. Most of these fundamentalist organisations have a cell of perhaps half a dozen hard-working activists. It is an astounding fact that the whole of the child-abuse scare during 1989 which generated national headlines throughout the summer and autumn were all originated by less than a dozen fundamentalist activists.
sKally, just adding some spice to the'food'
However, LaRouche is right about the fact that the Zionist Movement, which includes the right-wing Fundamentalists, is recklessly inflaming the Arab world in the delusion that Christ will intervene and save them from disaster of their own making. / You Know
Tallyman, you need to put your pic of those dang political fundamentalists who are inflaming? the Arab world!!!
Here is the link. How appropriate.
http://www.intrex.net/talley/Weep_50.html
edited because I forgot to put the link.
The wt prescribes only one solution for the problems in the nonjw world: destroy it. Larouche on the other hand has all kinds of methods and programs to solve the problems.
Larouche as president.
A new bretton woods money system.
A mega dam project in africa.
Star wars (been tried).
Classical type of education.
Mega trade corridirs and agreements.
Down with anything british.
Just to name a few.
When you continually refer to him as an authority, are you not promoting him? When you promote him, are you not promoting what he stands for? Is there not a good chance that those who actually listen to you may get sucked into larouche's philosophy? Is not all of this having the effect of taking away from the wt and their imagined jehovah's kingdom?
One thing your resorting to larouche does show though, is that the wt has a big void in the informational field.
SS
