Is science a tool, or a source of philosophy?

by EdenOne 12 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • EdenOne
    EdenOne

    Is science simply a powerful tool, or must it also dictate adherence to strict secularism?

    “Science must not impose any philosophy, any more than the telephone must tell us what to say.” - Gilbert Keith Chesterton

    Sure, in theory most science lovers will agree with that. But, as we all know, many science champions will readily dismiss theists - even though many among these also embrace science - as "anti-intellectuallists". Is this fair? Isn't this also some sort of belief system in the tale that science has all the answers? What's your opinion?

    Eden

  • bohm
    bohm

    Do we talk about scientific/religious ontology or epistomology?

  • EdenOne
    EdenOne

    Ontology - The nature of reallity.

    Eden

  • bohm
    bohm

    Well according to some religions the world is flat, according to science it is not. If we on the other hand consider a philosophers god who made the world just as we observe it there cannot by definition be a contradiction with scientific ontology

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    It's possible to go too far with anything, so it logically follows that some must put too much stock in science.

    However I do think it's telling that every time we shine the light of science into another corner of the universe, we don't see God at work. When the earliest Bible books were written, God was described as walking about on top of the canopy that held back the primordial waters, occasionally opening a window to let out some rain. Now we are peering down below the level of atoms and above the scale of the galaxy and still haven't found God.

    When people ran out of physical places to hide God, they made him immaterial and abstract. But in the process, his hand in everyday events seems to diminish and diminish. That doesn't mean he doesn't exist, but I think science advocates often feel justified in extrapolating from this trend and jumping ahead to the end, where we presumably learn the last new fact about the universe one day, and see that God isn't there either; that the universe is just a machine chugging along on its own.

    That's not to say that God can be disproven by science. He would presumably exist outside our universe and thus be beyond our ability to study. But a theist believes that God interacts with our universe, and so eventually we would hope to see evidence of these interactions. Thus, if every action and reaction within the universe can be explained without divine intervention, it naturally tends to put the kibosh on theism.

    I don't advocate the idea that anything not scientifically proven must be rejected from our worldview. However, supernatural explanations of our world are inherently untestable if God does not want to reveal his hand in things. So scientists reject these suppositions out of necessity, not because they are determined to reject the possibility of God affecting our world.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    • “Science must not impose any philosophy, any more than the telephone must tell us what to say.” - Gilbert Keith Chesterton

    I disagree with this view of science. Although, when many people in common discourse use the term "science" they refer to the practice of science--research and the application of scientific discoveries--science is ultimately a philosophy. It is a method of gaining knowledge, a way of understanding the world around us.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Science works.

    Methodological naturalism is essential to the process. Ontological naturalism is not.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I am disturbed when theologians tread in to the realm of science, and pretend there is equal footing.

    Theological question: Eligibility for heaven, hell, or purgatory.

    Scientific question: Was there a world-wide flood?

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Isn't this also some sort of belief system in the tale that science has all the answers?

    Certainly not, science is an endeavor for understanding all matter through open critical inquiry.

    On the other hand mysticism or spiritualism is an understanding of the human imagination and emotive theory contained in human ignorance at its source.

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    Perhaps the philosophy or belief of science is that there is an never ending amount to know about everything in the universe including about are selves,

    but we can know whats here if we simply can make an effort .

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I'll fix this:

    Isn't this also some sort of belief system [of inquiry] in the tale that science has all the answers questions?

    http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/How-To-Ask-Good-Questions-David;search%3Atag%3A%22tedxstanleypark%22

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