jw.org has an Armageddon countdown card on it. seriously.

by rebel8 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    As I posted earlier, see the link to jwfacts.com.

    They expected the rapture on 10/1/1914.

    Brother Macmillan admitted: “We were highly excited and I would not have been surprised if at that moment we had just started up, that becoming the signal to begin ascending heavenward”Yearbook 1975 pp.72,73

    Back then, they taught the Gentile Times had ended in 1874 and The End would come on 10/1/1914. It was not until after that prophecy failed that the wts revised the teaching to be 1914 as the date Jesus began to rule invisibly (end of Gentile kings' rule, or Gentile Times).

    "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from Apr 1878, A.D." Studies in Scriptures Series IV (1897) p.621

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    That's basically my understanding too, rebel8. I read a little about this while making a topic the other day, and Russell definitely believed by the time 1914 came around that it marked the end of the Gentile Times. Apparently this meant to him that man's governments would collapse, and that he and other true believers would be taken to heaven. I'm not clear on whether he thought that the destruction of Armageddon would also take place then, but one would expect that it would have, if the righteous were being removed from the earth at that time.

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Awesome find!!!!!!!

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    I do not know when it was but it seems to what I recall Russell did not admit or revise his prediction till late in the year 1914. As the story goes one morning late in 1914 at the breakfast table he made the announcement to the rest of the Bethelittes of his error. I don't think the JW's or the WT deny this. Again though if they are spirit directed, how could Russell have made such a false prophecy? I could be wrong on this one and will be open for correction by anyone else on here.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Great find!

  • Oubliette
  • blondie
    blondie

    1799 was not the start of Armageddon.

    1799 - The Start of the Time of the End.

    How does the Watchtower come up with 1799? The Watchtower uses the 1,260 prophetic years, mentioned in Daniel 12:7 “a time, times and a half”, and adds it to the year when the Ostrogothic monarchy was overthrown in A.D. 539.

    The Watchtower believed that the important date of 1799 was marked by Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt. The Watchtower believed and taught this up until 1927.

    The Watchtower now believe that these 1,260 prophetic days refer to time period that the Watchtower’s president, J.F. Rutherford spent in prison from June 21st 1918 until May 5th 1920 on charges of espionage. Although this period of time is only equal to 684 days, who is going argue with the Watchtower!

    The date of 1799 no longer forms part of their teachings

    "The Watchtower March, 1922

    The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799 .." {WT Mar 1 1922

    {Emphasis added}

    Studies in Sciptures - Thy Kingdom Come - 1915 p44

    Having thus furnished grounds for establishing the identity of this character (Napoleon), whose deeds mark the beginning of the 'Time of the End,' the prophecy proceeds to show which particular event of that time is to be understood as definitely marking the exact date of the beginning of the 'Time of the End.' This event is shown to be Napoleon's invasion of Egypt, which covered a period of a year and nearly five months. He sailed May, 1798 and, returning, landed in France Oct. 9, 1799. This campaign is graphically described in a few words in verses 40-44. Verse 40: 'And at the (fixed) Time of the End shall the king of the South (Egypt) fight against him, and the king of the North (England) shall come against him like a tempest, with chariots and with horsemen (the Egyptian Mamelukes, etc.) and with a great navy. (The English forces consisted of a navy under Admiral Nelson.) And he (Napoleon) shall enter into the countries, and shall destroy and pass through (victoriously).

    [Emphasis added]

    Creation 1927, p314

    Napoleon began this Egyptian campaign in 1798, finished it and returned to France on October 1, 1799. The campaign is briefly, yet graphically, described in the prophecy, verses 40 to 44 (Daniel 11:40-44); and being completed in 1799 marks, according to the Prophet's own words, the beginning of the 'time of the end

    [Emphasis added]

    Creation 1927 p315

    In Biblical Symbology a “time” means a year or twelve months of thirty days each. Each day is considered a year, as the profit says : ‘I have appointed thee each day for a year.’ (Ezekiel 4:6) Here are mentioned, then, three and a half times of 360 prophetic days, which would mark the beginning of the time of the end of this beastly order. Twelve hundred and sixty years from A.D. 539 brings us to 1799, which is another proof that 1799 definitely marks the beginning of “the time of the end”. This also shows that is from the date 539 A.D. that the other prophetic days must be counted

    [Emphasis Added]

    The Watchtower, November 1, 1922, p.332-337 DISCOURSE BY BROTHER J. F. RUTHERFORD

    The period from 1799 to 1874 could not be said to be a day of preparation, but a day of increasing light. It is not reasonable to think that the King began to make preparations until he was present.

    [Emphasis Added]

    Creation 1927 p319

    There are two important dates here that we must not confuse, but clearly differentiate; namely, the beginning of “the time of the end” and the beginning of the presence of the lord. “The time of the end” embraces the period from 1799 A.D to the time complete overthrow of Satan’s empire and the establishment of the kingdom of messiah. The time of the Lord’s second presence dates from 1874 and is during the latter part of the period known as “the time of the end”.

    [Emphasis Added]

    Thy Kingdom Come - 1915 P23

    The time of the end - Its commencement, A.D, 1799

    [Emphasis Added]

    Studies in the Scriptures IV - Battle of Armageddon p584

    The fact is that the entire Gospel age has been a period of tribulation referred to in Matt. 24:9-12, and now in verse 29. (1) The early Church was persecuted by civil Rome, while later, when Papal Rome got control, all who refused to approve her abominations were persecuted by her (Jezebel) directly, or indirectly by the civil powers to which she was wedded (Ahab). And they were given into her power, and she wore out the saints of the Most High for a time, times and a half time - 1260 years - until A.D. 1799. And this long persecution, in which 'many were purified and made white and tried,' and in which the Mother of Harlots was 'drunk with the blood of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus' (Rev. 17:6) ended as we have already shown, practically in 1776 and actually in 1799 when the Pope and his authority were humiliated before the World.

    [Emphasis added]

    Thy Kingdom Come 1915, p35

    No further conflict between these would occur except one, and it would be just at “the appointed” the time of the end, 1799

    [Emphasis added]

    Thy Kingdom Come 1915, P38

    From other scriptures we learn that it was a period of 1260 years which ended with A.D. 1799, a date prominently noted by Daniel and the Revelator as well as in history.

    [...}

    The full period of the persecutor’s (Papacy’s) power, 1260 years, would not end until 1799

    Emphasis added]

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    Damning evidence, the true import of which is unfortunately lost on JW's except to those awakened to TTATT.

    Look at the Seventh Day Adventists? Do any of them care today some 171 years later that their peculiar 1843AD creed (and still one of their official mainstay doctrines) was a failed rapture prediction known as the 'great disappointment'? The SDA's 1843 creed is even more ridiculous the JW's 1914 creed.

    JW's don't care that the early Bible Students expectations about what was to happen in 1914 was wrong; they only care that WW1 started in 1914 followed by the Spanish flu, great depression, etc, which in their minds seemingly affirms that there is something significant about the date which they pointed to in advance.

    A snake oil salesman does sell his stuff because he can prove it works; he only needs to get gullible people to believe it works.

  • LogCon
    LogCon

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  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Reposting something I said on another thread about the 10/6/14 go live date for tv.jw.org:

    Personally, I think the timing is suspicious. I'm sure they're doing this for recruitment purposes, but to go live right now takes a lot of attention away from something very significant: 100 years since 10/1/1914--the date predicted for Armageddon, later revised to occur while the generation was still alive, later revised to overlapping generations.

    1914 remains one of their biggest teachings that is so obviously false. They have taken the wind out of that sail by posting a little...hmmm...look what "some" believed back then...how antiquated "some" were...now let's see something exciting! Bro. Lett tickling our ears in a bad suit.

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