WTS denies use of 2 witness rule for abuse cases

by jschwehm 18 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  outnfree

  Nancee,

  (Welcome to the Board! )

  as AMNESIAN so ably pointed out in that thread that Sirona titled
  "They acted without two witnesses" http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=28607&site=3 there had been a previous, separate allegation made against this alleged molester, so I guess there WERE two witnesses after all?

  And the elders there acted in a decidedly un-theocratic way, too!

  Jeff,

  I would say that Brumley is a deceitful S.O.B., but that would be insulting to his mother!

  WAS that remark part of any sort of longer, credible explanation? Because on its own it smacks of purposeful obfuscation.

  outnfree
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  nonentity

  Bill,

  : If two eye witnesses are not able to establish the matter in the face of a denial, then in over 100% of cases the matter will be
  kept confidential with parents being charged to not warn others in the congregation, that is an action also.

  Not sure what % you meant to use....

  nonentity
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  outnfree

  GermanJW posted the context while I was responding.

  NOW, I would say, even in context Mr. Brumley's reply smacks of obfuscation.

  What we need, is for some reporter to ask the hard question "Since WHEN is that WT policy, and where is the written letter to the Bodies of Elders that verifies Mr. Brumley's remarks?"

  outnfree
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  crawdad2

  they can sweet talk all they want........but there are alot of credible victims coming forward....

  they will testify...
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  patio34

  I just read the fool full statement of Mr. Brumley that German JW just posted. Excuse me, while I go throw up.
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  TheOldHippie

  The two witnesses can refer to one witness in two different cases. If there is one accusation and only one witness, the child itself, and then later another accusation with also only one witness, the other child, then there are two witnesses, one in two separate cases, and so no matter what the offender says, he is out. This is how it has been practiced in my country for some years. And so I cannot see it differently than that the WTBTS spokesman says it correctly, at least this is so over here.
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  COMF

  in over 100% of cases

  In the interest of accuracy... come again?

  Perplext no more with Human or Divine,
  To-morrow's tangle to the winds resign,
  And lose your fingers in the tresses of
  The cypress-slender Minister of Wine.
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  dungbeetle

  Old Hippie, I am going to ask you again; how is it you in your country that what is specifically printed in the elders book, the Watchtower, and the BOE letters can be so ignored?

  1) Two witness, two act rule (elder's and organized book) smoking is the example used

  2) two witness two act rule, specifically for CHILD ABUSE

  3) one witness rule, rape survivors that do not scream is the longest-running example (since 1965 and still in effect)

  Care to enlighten us?

  BEFORE YOU TRY AND REMOVE THE STICK FROM MY ARSE, REMOVE THE TELEPHONE POLE FROM YOUR OWN ARSE.

  
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  TheOldHippie

  All I am saying, is that the Manual is some years old, letters are constantly sent, viewpoints are updated etc. At Elders' meetings during CC, at Elders' courses, and at CO's meetings, letters have been read that state that repeated accusations from different victims make up the same burden of evidence as would several witnesses to one crime. One child makes an accusation, later another one, and that in the congregation is sufficient for dealing with the person as if it were two witnesses to one instance. If you choose not to believe me, that is your privilege, but that is a fact, as I have been present at these meetings and have heard the letters being read and discussed.