Awful WTBTS " infomercial " funeral service talk

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  • Gregor
    Gregor

    posted before, but, I think it is appropriate)

    My dear old uncle was rather eccentric when it came to being tight with a nickel. He had plenty of money because he never spent it. Never bought anything 'new' - cars, clothes, tools, you name it. He also liked to check out the dumpsters behind stores, like he would find moldy cheese still in the package. He would rinse it with vinegar and eat it, etc.

    Once he found a box of 8 1/2 X 11 heavy paper in bright florescent colors, green, yellow, pink and so forth. On one side various words like SALE! or CLEARANCE! or SUPER VALUE! were printed in big black letters at the top so the store could write in the price, etc. with a heavy marker. This paper had never been written on.

    A very much loved older sister died and he was asked by the family to give the memorial service. The Hall was packed. Because the reading glasses he got at the second hand store didn't work very well he had to hold his notes up. I felt like crawling under my chair when, you guessed it, he had written his notes on the back of his florescent paper with the above words facing the audience.
  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    Theredeemer, You know if your mom left the Kingdum Hall with any money they wouldn't refuse that. I know one dub woman that didn't leave her children any of her money because none of them were not good dubs but left it all to the WT.

  • Calebs Airplane
    Calebs Airplane

    I remember when crying at a funeral was considered a sign of spiritual weakness and lack of faith in Jehovah.

    Is this still the case?

  • dozy
    dozy

    I remember when crying at a funeral was considered a sign of spiritual weakness and lack of faith in Jehovah.

    Is this still the case?

    I don't think so. Times have changed a bit & the WTBTS has kind of softened it's stand on that.

    As far as the discourse is concerned , a lot depends on the speaker. I knew an elder ( dead now ) who used to give really good funeral talks. He loosely used the WTBTS outline but made it personal & tailored the talk depending on the audience - eg if there were a lot of "worldly" relatives there he weaved in a lot of the history of the deceased - conversely if it was a mainly JW audience with few worldly people there ( eg a Bethelite or a JW with mainly JW family ) he stuck closer to the Society outline.

    I do remember a few dire JW funeral talks though. One about 30 years ago was for something of a marginal JW in our congregation who was a bit of a creepy guy and would probably today be regarded as a marginal paedophile. All the kids my age just regarded him as a smelly old man who was overly friendly and one to avoid - most congregations had them in those days. The speaker ( who hardly knew him ) stuck rigidly to the outline & kept saying how people should copy the "fine example" of this JW. A few eyebrows were raised and I could see a few of the relatives weren't impressed.

    Thankfully most people don't really listen to the talk at any funeral. A friend of mine is a funeral director who has been present at literally thousands of funerals & he says that the talk just washes over most people & 95% of people just kind of tune out the religious element. He says other than being really boring , JW talks are pretty much the same as most similar religions ( eg penecostals , baptists , mormons , SDA etc. )

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    As far as the discourse is concerned , a lot depends on the speaker. I knew an elder ( dead now ) who used to give really good funeral talks. He loosely used the WTBTS outline but made it personal & tailored the talk depending on the audience - eg if there were a lot of "worldly" relatives there he weaved in a lot of the history of the deceased - conversely if it was a mainly JW audience with few worldly people there ( eg a Bethelite or a JW with mainly JW family ) he stuck closer to the Society outline.

    I understand that the elder giving the funeral sermon has to cover a certain outline but they could be a little creative and bring it back to the deceased instead of quoting one scripture after the other. Just comes across as uninspired and tacky.

    I do remember a few dire JW funeral talks though. One about 30 years ago was for something of a marginal JW in our congregation who was a bit of a creepy guy and would probably today be regarded as a marginal paedophile. All the kids my age just regarded him as a smelly old man who was overly friendly and one to avoid - most congregations had them in those days. The speaker ( who hardly knew him ) stuck rigidly to the outline & kept saying how people should copy the "fine example" of this JW. A few eyebrows were raised and I could see a few of the relatives weren't impressed.

    We had a few of those in the congreations I went to. Now we these types would be labelled as a pedo to keep away from. I Iremember one old fellow would always give the children candy. Maybe inocent but you never know.

  • keyser soze
    keyser soze

    A friend of mine from work went to a JW funeral and got called on shortly afterward, out in the ministry. Apparently his wife had a conversation with someone at the funeral, which they mistook for interest in their religion. They then proceeded to get their names and address off of the guest registry.

    True story. You can't make this shit up.

  • Island Man
    Island Man

    The funny thing is that JWs often cite Ecclesiastes 7:1 as an argument for not celebrating birthdays. That text says:

    "A name is better than good oil, and the day of death than the day of one’s being born."

    The reasoning JWs employ with regard to this text is that the day of a person's death is more important than the day of birth because it is at his death that he would have finished making a name for himself.

    Based on this text, you would think then than JWs would use funerals as occassions to elaborate about the "name" of the deceased, i.e. eulogise them. But no, they're given a few minutes of token attention and the rest of the talk is all about selling JW doctrine.

    I have seen shameful favoritisim with regard to who is allowed to have their funerals at kingdom halls. I have seen situations where two bible students of much the same spiritual standing have had different outcomes. One bible student was studying the bible and even had an offspring who was also studying the bible and attending meetings. The student died but was refused having the service at the K.H. because the student was not a baptized JW. Another adult individual who grew up around the truth but never became baptized and has children out of wedlock and attended meetings on and off with their JW parent, also died but was permitted to have the funeral at the kingdom hall. So some non-JWs are allowed to have their funeral at the kingdom hall while others are not. There is clearly partiality at work.

  • freddo
    freddo

    I went to a funeral about 15 years ago at the city crematorium given by a doddery jw elder who stuck to the outline.

    The woman was a widow who had never been a jw but her only daughter was and she wanted a jw funeral for her mother. The crematorium had seats for about 100 people and there were about 50 there including about 25 from the congregation and some "worldly" neighbours and friends of the deceased. I sat towards the back and there were two old women who were a bit deaf sat across the aisle from me.

    One of them says to the other in a loud enough voice for me to hear across the aisle "It's a good job she (the deceased) can't hear what he's saying! She'd be out that box and give him (the speaker) what for!"

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    A friend of mine from work went to a JW funeral and got called on shortly afterward, out in the ministry. Apparently his wife had a conversation with someone at the funeral, which they mistook for interest in their religion. They then proceeded to get their names and address off of the guest registry.

    That is pretty tacky but I wouldn't put anything past some dubs. I remember years ago some dub and my ex wife were going through the local news paper obituaries and writting letters to the nest of kin. They stopped after one elder told them that was not approprate.

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