Best scriptures for countering TOMO III's comment about "inactive ones"??

by DATA-DOG 28 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Phizzy

  "Inactive" in Tony Tightpant's mind means not working hard for the JW Org, thus, even this statement is about the $$$.

  Their is a difference in the tiny JW mind between inactive ones and Enemies (Apostates). How did Jesus feel about ones who did not work along with his group but were not his enemy ? He told Peter that they were fine, because they were not his enemies. I can't find the actual Scripture, can anyone help ? there was a group I think who were claiming the Messiah had come, but were not part of Jesus' operation ??

  But that would fit, merely "Inactive" ones are not enemies of JWorg, at least in the JW mind, most are as we know pretty much more of an enemy than an ally in truth.
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  Vidqun

  Phizzy, this the one you're thinking of. The last two verses are quite ironic, especially verse 42. I wonder how many he stumbled with his opinions.

  38 John said to him, Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us.

  39 But Jesus said, Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me;

  40 for he that is not against us is for us.

  41 For whoever gives YOU a cup of water to drink on the ground that YOU belong to Christ, I truly tell YOU, he will by no means lose his reward.

  42 But whoever stumbles one of these little ones that believe, it would be finer for him if a millstone such as is turned by an ass were put around his neck and he were actually pitched into the sea.

  (Mar 9:38-42 NWT)
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  Phizzy

  Thanks Vidqun, that is what I was thinking of, and I think it totally refutes ToMo Tightpants' bit of scary propaganda, which as has been pointed out, he was unable to support from Scripture.
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  punkofnice

  Oub - ToMo said he'd use scriptures to back up HIS claims. He did not.

  Yes indeedy. How can you use any scriptures for a tw0t like AM3rds personal opinions? He didn't use any so that means there is NO scriptural basis for his tirade of bigotry.

  1 Thess 4:11 and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life: You should mind your own businessand work with your hands, just as we told you, This is what idiots like AM3 should be doing....minding his own flippin' business!
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  DATA-DOG

  TORPEDO AWAY!!!

  DD
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  The Searcher

  DATA-DOG - Since AM3 provided no Scriptural proof to back up his claims, (as with "the GT coming soon" and "God selected him to be in the FDS") I would politely remind any Witness of the following Scriptures which clearly show who has the right to judge us - and who doesn't!

  You could also ask them why not every 1st century Christian (allegedly all heavenly-hopers!) took part in the ministry! (1 Cor. 12:28-31; Acts 1:17; 2 Cor. 8:4)

  Or if you just want to go straight for the jugular, read this - 2 Corinthians 5:20 "Therefore, we are ambassadors substituting for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us. As substitutes for Christ, we beg: “Become reconciled to God.”

  According to WT doctrine, this commission was given to the anointed!!! Therefore, no "other sheep" riff-raff has any right to imitate Korah, Dathan, & Abiram by seizing this God-given 'priestly' privilege for themselves!

  If Christ checks up on my monthly report rather than my Christian heart condition, then I guess I'm in trouble!

  John 5:22, Acts 10:42, Acts 17:31, Romans 2:16, Romans 14:9, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 2 Timothy 4:1, 1 Peter 4:5, Revelation 20:12.

  (Colossians 2:16) Therefore let no man judge YOU .　. .

  (Romans 14:10) But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God;

  (Colossians 2:16) Therefore let no man judge YOU in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a Sabbatrh

  (James 4:12) .　.　.One there is that is lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But you, who are you to be judging [your] neighbor?

  I'd still get the relative to Scripturally prove what they're waffling about.
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  mgmelkat

  What about Romans 14?

  Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. (‭Romans‬ ‭14‬:‭1-4‬ NIV)
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  leaving_quietly

  2 Peter 1:8 is the only place where the word "inactive" is used in the NWT.

  For if these things exist in you and overflow, they will prevent you from being either inactive or unfruitful regarding the accurate knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

  The word for "inactive" is argous (Strong's 692) which means "idle, lazy, thoughtless". It can mean inactive or even ineffective as some translations say.

  Again, though, what is the context? What "things" does this verse refer to? Going back to verse 5:

  For this very reason, put forth all earnest effort to supply to your faith virtue, to your virtue knowledge, 6 to your knowledge self-control, to your self-control endurance, to your endurance godly devotion, 7 to your godly devotion brotherly affection, to your brotherly affection love.

  Faith, virtue, knowledge, self-control, endurance, godly devotion, brotherly affection, love. Nothing about the preaching work. In addition, what does "brotherly affection" have to do with preaching to strangers? Nothing.

  Also, 2 Peter doesn't talk about preaching at all. He mentions Noah, "a preacher of righteousness", but as far as preaching or declaring anything, this particular letter is silent. Thus, contextually, being "inactive" doesn't have anything to do with preaching.
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  Oubliette

  Vidquin: for he that is not against us is for us.

  Exactly!

  Except Jesus contradicted himself and also said, " Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. " - Matthew 12:30. Expect that as a response.

  This is why I maintain: Don't try to use scriptures. The WTBTS has twisted so many of them that no JW can understand what any of them say, they only know what they've be told they "mean."

  The burden of proof is always on the individual making an assertion. ToMo promised to use scriptures and publications to back up his statements. He did neither. Why didn't he?

  Ask the question, shut up and let the silence have it's affect.

  Of course, people that are under the notion that the Bible is "the infallible Word of God" go through excruciating mental gymanistics to "harmonize" these kinds of blatant contradictions, but once a person has disabused themselves of this false notion, it becomes easy to see the Bible for what it really is.

  It is a book full of contradictions (among other things).
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  Vidqun

  Oubliette, I disagree. If you want to reason with a Witness without using Scripture, you will be wasting your time. Also, note the context of Matt. 12:30. There Jesus was talking to the Pharisees, and we know how he felt about them. They recognized the miracle, but ascribed it to Beelzebub, i.e., Satan. He emphasized an excellent principle: Good tree, good fruit. Bad tree, bad fruit.