PLEASE don't read this . . . if you have O.C.D. tendencies or are superstitious

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  • Terry
    Terry

    What if there were no such things as Arabic numerals (0123456789)?

    What if you only had your alphabet?

    You could use letters as numerical values. (A=1 B=2 C=3, etc. etc.) (B+B=D means 2+2=4) Get it? Sure ya do.

    In Greek (Alpha=1, Beta=2, Gamma=3, etc.)

    This is what HEBREW and GREEK and ROMAN alphabets offered: no (separate symbols) numerals, only letters.

    So what?

    Well, suddenly things get interesting!! A string of numbers might co-incidentally also be a word....an interesting phenomena to mathematically inclined crackpots! People of a certain frame of mind (obsessive compulsive mathematicians, idiot-savants, religious nuts, etc.)

    Read on........this is called GEMATRIA.

    Quite a craze developed among religious savants (i.e. smart fanatics with too much time on their hands) to interpret words in light of their numerical value and interpret numerical value in light of the corresponding words.

    The Roman God JOVE was represented by the Roman letters IV. To avoid desecrating JOVE'S name, Grandfather clocks don't abbreviate 4 as IV but as four one's IIII. Ever notice that and wonder why there was no IV?

    Silly, but, widely attested to in pseudoepigrapha (Gospels written by someone other than by the Author of attestation).

    Caesar Nero's value was 666. Ring a bell?

    Christian scribes often didn't write the word AMEN, but, only the numerical value of 99.

    Fun?

    Quite a craze developed among religious savants (i.e. smart fanatics with too much time on their hands) to interpret words in light of their numerical value and interpret numerical value in light of the corresponding words.

    Wild and crazy superstitious ideas started circulating!
    The Roman God JOVE (Iove) was represented by the Roman letters IV.

    To avoid desecrating JOVE'S name, Grandfather clocks don't abbreviate 4 as IV but as four one's IIII.

    Ever notice that and wonder why there was no IV?

    What about JOHN writing in Revelation?

    Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.” Revelation 13:18

    The apostle John gave the numerical concealment of the Beast as 666 in order to disguise the identity during a time of intense persecution. This was not an uncommon practice as we know of many examples of this technique in both Jewish and Greek society. Cryptograms have even been excavated in ancient cities including graffiti love notes such as this one – “philo es anthmos phi mu epsilon" (I love her whose number is 545.) found in the ruins of Pompeii.

    So we know that encrypting identities was a well known practice in John’s time when he wrote the Book of Revelation and we know that John wrote the book to the contemporary audience of his day – Rev. 1:1 – “… the things which must soon take place”; Rev. 1:3 – “…for the time is near.” John’s cryptic reference was written to those churches of his day.

    A Hebrew spelling of the Roman Emperor Nero’s name is Nrwn Qsr (Neron Kaiser). This name’s numerical value is 666.16 according to Jastrow’s lexicon of the Talmud. Even those who bring up the textual variants of 616 being listed in verse 18 as the number of the Beast (eg. Metzger) have noted that 616 is the numerical value of Nero Ceasar in Latin. It makes sense that perhaps this change was done by certain copyists as to aid in the broader understanding of his identity beyond a purely Jewish reading.

    666

    Christian scribes often didn't write the word AMEN, but, only the numerical value of 99.

    Fun?
    Certain Jewish sages took this VERY seriously!

    The assumption behind this technique is that numerical equivalence is not coincidental. Since the world was created through God's "speech," each letter represents a different creative force. Thus, the numerical equivalence of two words reveals an internal connection between the creative potentials of each one.

    Caution: what you are about to read is pure Gematria (numerology).

    Let's take the number seven as an illustration of the way the patterns work. Seven is the most prolific of the mathematical series which binds scripture together. The very first verse of the Bible "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen 1:1), contains over 30 different combinations of seven.

    This verse has seven Hebrew words having a total of 28 letters 4 x 7. The numeric value of the three nouns "God", "heaven" and "earth" totals 777. Any number in triplicate expresses complete, ultimate or total meaning.

    Also tightly sealed up with sevens are the genealogy of Jesus, the account of the virgin birth and the resurrection. Seven occurs as a number 187 times in the Bible (41 x 7), the phrase "seven-fold" occurs seven times and "seventy" occurs 56 times (7 x 8).

    In the Book of Revelation seven positively shines out: there are seven golden candlesticks, seven letters to seven churches, a book sealed with seven seals, seven angels standing before the Lord with seven trumpets, seven thunders and seven last plagues. In fact there are over 50 occurrences of the number seven in Revelation alone.
    Divisible by seven

    There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).

    God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.

    The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.

    We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
    The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colors as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.
    In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.


    What is the bottom line? A great deal of the organization, wording, writing and composition
    of scripture was directly influenced by superstitious believers in Gematria.

    Even today, superstitious seekers of arcane esoterica pursue NUMEROLOGY to divine secret "meaning" in their own lives.

    Number 13 (more silliness!)

    The Old Testament has thirty-nine books, (13x3). The last word is a curse. It has five letters, the number of death.

    In Acts 13:39 (13x3) is the justification from the curse of the law. It took the death of the Son of God.

    In Galatians 3:13 we are given the triple curse connected with the law; cursed is anyone who hangs on a tree. Jesus became a curse when he hanged on the cross.

    II Corinthians 5:21 says, "For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." Jesus became a curse for every one of us.

    In I Timothy 1:19-20, we are tod that the law is for thirteen kinds of people.

    In proverbs 13:13, there is a statement on unbelief.

    In Joshua 13:13, is the cause of all apostasy.

    Joshua 7:13 is found an accursed thing.

    Eighty-five percent of the thirteens in the Bible refer to death, destruction or evil.

    Genesis 4:13 has thirteen words that are the reply of a murderer to God's fair dealings.

    In Genesis 6:13 and 13:13 is the sinfulness of man.

    Nimrod was a type of the antichrist, the thirteenth from Adam. He was a rebel. The first time the word thirteen occurs in print, we find they rebelled (Genesis 14:4).

    Apollo 13 was the thirteenth space flight, the one which failed.

    Revelation 13 deals with the Satanic godhead. Judas Iscariot has thirteen letters in his name (John 13:13) The verse had thirteen words and thirty-nine letters, which is 13x3. Judas is called the angel of the bottomless pit. Apollyon and Abaddon both mean the destroyer. He is identified in Revelation 13 as the one Satan will raise from the dead and the one Satan will live in.

    In Revelation 17:5 there are thirteen words in block capital letters on the harlot's forehead. They contain sixty-five letters (5x13).

    In Deuteronomy 14:7-9 there are twenty-six unclean animals (2x13).

    In Mark 7:21 Jesus says there are thirteen evils in the human heart.

    The United States rebelled against England in 1776. We had a flag with thirteen stars, thirteen stripes and a snake with "Don't Tread On Me" written on it, which that is thirteen letters. There were thirteen stars on the Confederate flag in the Civil War.

    Bottom line conclusion?

    When human imagination meets religion and superstition and then THAT meets an OCD personality with a flair for numbers, what do you get?

    Endless hours of sifting, comparing, interpretation and "signficance" chasing.

    Next to Astrology, Numerology is very popular with people who need to spend more time reading non-fiction, imho.

  • Atlantis
    Atlantis

    Thank you Terry for that interesting article! I seem to remember one of the Bible Students who wrote to us for documents, described in his opinion the connection with numerology and the Watchtower. In his description, he claimed that the number (3) and the number (5) had important meaning in numerology.

    He then drew a picture for me showing the 3 words (Zions---Watch---Tower) which all 3 words contained 5 letters each. To be honest with you, I thought the old chap had been in the rum keg. But, I guess its up to each person to decide!

    Atlantis!

  • Simon
    Simon

    I don't buy the numeric patterns in words - you can make any book give any message by various mathematical tricks.

    One thing where it is useful though is mnemonics where you use letters for numbers and then words can represent longer numbers. It's possible to memorise long lists of things in sequence or remember long numbers. I can still recite Pi to 32 decimal places using something 30+ years ago.

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    Poop on pi!

    e is everything!

    Oh gosh, I was warned not to read this thread!

    (and I'm not superstitious)

  • Island Man
    Island Man

    I believe the bit about the writer of Revelation intending 666 to be a cryptic reference to Nero. It's the most reasonable and logical interpretation of 666 that I've seen so far. But when it comes to the chapter and verse numbers in the bible, one has to remember that those were added centuries after the bible was written so we can't really attach any significance to the numbering of verses in correlation to what the verses say. The original authors of the bible verses had no say in their much later chapter and verse numbering.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    I realized that the ancient Bible writers were into numerology a long time ago; long before I'd faded, in fact.

  • Terry
    Terry

    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    Have you ever heard that old saying?

    I would call it the Amateur syndrome.

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    If you know just enough about some subject to imagine you are now smart

    enough to understand it--you become a dangerous amateur. How so? You start to stray into imagination.

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    Look at the Kennedy assassanation and all the amateurs creating questions and providing diabolical answers!

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    GEMATRIA is one subject that sucked in a lot of amateurs with a bit of imagination and talent.

    Like parlor magicians doing sleight-of-hand tricks, they sucked in others.

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    Jehovah's Witnesses are dangerous amateurs without education, training, certification or factual foundation.

    They can be lumped in with a whole host of well-intentioned crackpots.

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    Where did all these amateur crackpots come from. Ever wonder?

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    Please take a few moments out of your day and watch this very detailed and enlightening Power Point lecture.

    It traces the offshoots of WILLIAM MILLER second adventist disaster known as THE GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT.

    These people simply could not admit they were wrong. Generation after generation tried every imaginable

    way to justify their Christian non-conformist obsessions with END TIMES.

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    You may think tracing the history of crackpot obsessions is a waste of time. I declare just the opposite.

    AFTER ALL, YOU AND ME WERE SUCKED INTO IT--weren't we?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x16tchx6Lpo&src_vid=h_c-PdT0SsE&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_2318143631#t=29m28s

  • Bugbear
    Bugbear

    Thanks Terry for inviting us to accurate knowledge on the Antique ideas that was very dominating at the time when most of the bible was written. I wish I had half of the knowledge that you obviously have. I think that you will find more interesting information about reading on the Epicureans, decedents from the ancient Epicurus, who believed they “had the knowledge”, through numerology. They called it “the secret”, and indeed they were very “secret” about their knowledge. It is very interesting to see hove the bible reflects many of these ancient ideas and that people who doesn´t understand this influence, still are trying to find the “truth” by bible interpreting.

    Thanks and LOL

    Bugbear

  • Terry
    Terry

    I didn't know that about Epicurus. I knew about Pythagoreans.

    Did you know they forbid the eating of beans?

  • Bugbear
    Bugbear

    Thnks Terry! I mixed the two groups, "long time since examina" of course it was the pythagoreans that lived in suthern Italy. But I do like the ideology of the Epicureas better.

    Bugbear

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