by Terry 24 Replies latest social current
| Following the riot, 17 people were arrested, 6 police cars were damaged, over 16 fires had been set, two dozen were injured, and a Maryland state trooper was hit in the face with a plank. A night of bonfires, looting, drunken brawls, flying beer bottles and hundreds of troopers in riot gear caused roughly $50,000 in damages. |
Caused by....UofM football fans, 2002. What's unique, again?
| Following the riot, 17 people were arrested, 6 police cars were damaged, over 16 fires had been set, two dozen were injured, and a Maryland state trooper was hit in the face with a plank. A night of bonfires, looting, drunken brawls, flying beer bottles and hundreds of troopers in riot gear caused roughly $50,000 in damages. |
Caused by....UofM football fans, 2002. What's unique, again?
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Not related to RACE or RELIGION. Nor are there minorities or underprivileged ethnic considerations in a power vacuum. JUST BAD SPORTS!
Terry, I appreciate that you're attempting to get people to think - but asking a loaded questions is NOT the way to do it.
"In terms of race, who are these people?" The only possible way to 'correctly' answer this question is to list a race. However, when we see rioting it is never done by a single race. The question cannot be answered in terms of race. It is an inadequate metric to address the situation. You can't use a tape measure to figure out the color of a wall. You can't use race to figure out what's causing the riots.
The same problem exists with your question about religion. While religion does cause a lot of strife - there is no destructive action that is unique to only one religion. While abortion clinic bombings are often committed by Christians - they are not ALWAYS committed by Christians. Suicide bombings in croweded market places are often committed my Muslims. But they are not ALWAYS committed by Muslims.
I am fascinated by the replies I am receiving on this topic.
I'm wondering if the Amalekites would agree with you that " While religion does cause a lot of strife - there is no destructive action that is unique to only one religion. "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZZ96SArpuc
On 1 January 2010, a 28-year-old Somali Muslim intruder armed with an axe and knife entered Westergaard's house and was subsequently shot and wounded by police. [13] [14] Westergaard was unharmed due to security precautions in his house. He fled to a panic room when he saw the intruder standing in the hallway wielding an axe. [15] Westergaard was separated from his five-year-old granddaughter who he left behind sitting in the living room just meters away from the intruder. [12] [13] [15] [16]
The intruder attempted to break down the reinforced door with his axe, shouting phrases like "We will get our revenge!", "Revenge!" and "Blood!" [12] [15] [17] He failed to get through and was shot in the hand and knee by police officers who arrived on the scene within a few minutes. [15] [18] The assailant was arrested, taken into custody and charged with the attempted murders of Westergaard and a police officer. [13] [19]
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HITCHENS here could well be talking directly to Jehovah's Witnesses!
In our world there are people who riot, destroy property, kill and vocalize grievance IN TERMS OF RELIGION.
I would like a one-sentence answer to the question: WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?
VacaPioneer: These people are individuals who have or are currently at systematic disadvantages or are the religious minority.
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The majority in a Muslim theocracy (religion and politics are the same) confront the West with solidarity rather than
systematic disadvantage.
Iran and its Ayatollah Khomeini are unified against moderates (who are the real disadvantaged minority).
The United States is demonized in rhetoric as the "Great Satan."
The interesting thing about all this which has historic resonance, is the fact MODERATES (even when they are the majority) are
totally irrelevant!
In Nazi Germany, the majority of the German people did not dream up Blitzkrieg or Holocaust, they were the silent majority.
The damage done to the world comes from, as in the case of the Nationalist Socialist Party, ethnic zealots hellbent on having
their way by whatever means necessary (to pre-echo Malcom X).
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Please listen to this MAGNIFICENT response to a question by a Muslim.
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?
Prejudice self serving ideologists and what has been one of the most predominate sources of prejudice ideology ...... religious adherence
I'm wondering if the Amalekites would agree with you
The plight of the Amalekites is one shared all throughout the ages. One need look no futher than the atrocities committed in Syria by ISIS, the genocide in Kosvo, or the mass graves filled with Tutsis in Rawanda to see the destructive patterns of religion. All thoughout the ages we have seen one religious group trying to exterminate another religious group. The Amalakites certianly aren't the only group of people that have had genocide committed against them by another religious group.
I stand by my statment, " While religion does cause a lot of strife - there is no destructive action that is unique to only one religion."
While religion does cause a lot of strife - there is no destructive action that is unique to only one religion."
How about the JW religion and its no blood policy, which has caused the deaths of tens of thousands since its inception in the early 1940's ???
Terry, Coded Logic explained to you why your answers to your own questions are wrong. There is no one, unique answer to the questions you asked that specifies a race or religion, as there are multiple answers. Your attempt to say "Muslims" is incorrect as members of other religions currently are doing the thing you speak of, for instance. It's a wrong answer.
The fact that your questions have no unique answer shows you why the worldview of those that believe it does is so errsant in the first place. Because all of these things are tied in with nuances and specifics of peope in similar situations, things that cross bounds like race and religion, it's impossible to single out a single one at any point in time for such broad questions.
-That's- pure fact.
Pacopoolio:
Terry, Coded Logic explained to you why your answers to your own questions are wrong. There is no one, unique answer to the questions you asked that specifies a race or religion, as there are multiple answers. Your attempt to say "Muslims" is incorrect as members of other religions currently are doing the thing you speak of, for instance. It's a wrong answer.
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This reminds me of the fellow who dynamites the cave entrance and declares, "There is no way out."
Let's snuff that fuse before the cave in becomes self-fulfilling prophecy.
Quakers, Adventists, Mennonites, Amish, JW's are but a few Christian denominations who are non-violent in practice.
Martin Luther King borrowed the strategy of satyagraha from Ghandi (passive resistance) and in both instances, this strategy
won the day. I would assert as a FACT (as well as historically true) there is something demonstrably DIFFERENT and EFFECTIVE about
non-violent protest.
If the Ferguson, Missouri protests had a non-violent moral compass policies and hearts might well have been changed for the better.
WHY THE DIFFERENCE in these groups?
Why is one group willing to suffer to bring about an ideal, whereas the other groups want OTHERS to do the suffering.
Can you riddle me that one, Batman?
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The fact that your questions have no unique answer shows you why the worldview of those that believe it does is so errsant in the first place. Because all of these things are tied in with nuances and specifics of peope in similar situations, things that cross bounds like race and religion, it's impossible to single out a single one at any point in time for such broad questions.
-That's- pure fact.
