Mother---Again

by teenyuck 10 Replies latest jw experiences

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  teenyuck

  My mother called me again to talk about Dateline and the fall out at the cong.

  She said the elder (or guy giving the talk-I am not sure if it was book study or a meeting) read a letter from the society saying:

  "It is all apostates who are doing this"
  "They are trying to undo the preaching work"
  "This proves we are in the last days and Satan is after us...we are being persecuted"

  My mothers comments to me:

  "They are bovines...they have bovine brains...they will blindly follow those stupid men, just like cows to slaughter"

  "They are reciting what they have been programmed to say" (HELLO!!!)
  "In the bible it says people will say whats bad is good and what is good is bad"

  She said the elder (I do know who she was talking about..it gave me chills to hear his name) said that you cannot believe these claims...there were not two witnesses and the Brothers being accused were being unjustly accused.

  This fired up my Mom...she said to the elder (I tried to write it down but she was on a roll)
  "So, the innocent child should come forward and tell the elders that he/she is being molested? The molester is waiting for two witnesses. How many molestors come forward and get witnesses to the act?!"

  She further told them that the policy of not telling the police was stupid...the elders are not trained as police or social workers.

  She got all these comments from me. I am proud of her for standing up.

  I asked her if she were not afraid that they would question her loyalty and DF her.

  "No, those bastards know that I will fight them like a tiger...they are women hating misanthrops and they are afraid of me for speaking out."

  You Go Mom!!!

  I am sending her the video I taped and I am going to try to buy CoC today to send her.
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  jaded

  That is wonderful news! Now wouldn't it be great if Oprah did a show on this. Your mom would eat it up!
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  Salud

  Puffsrule,

  AWESOME!! It is great that your mom posses a brain, unlike my two brothers. One just left for the Dominican branch for two weeks to work building firewalls (at his expense!). My other brother parrots exactly what the elder told your mom. My mom on the other hand, still a JW, will not let any child or elder tell her how it is, she says that they can disfellowship her if they want. I admire these older woman who stand up for what is right regardless what a lamebrain elder my tell them otherwise.

  Keep us posted!!
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  ChiChiMama

  Puffs,
  Thanks for sharing this. It's nice to see someone's mom is thnking.

  your mom said the elder said

  that you cannot believe these claims...there were not two witnesses

  In the letter that was read the WT holds to the two witness policy.
  He and the rest of the congregation probably didn't realize the contridiction that was!

  ChiChi
  
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  BeautifulGarbage

  Way to go, Puff and Puffs Mom!

  She's coming out of the WT trance swinging!

  Andee
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  Cassiline

  Great to see that some are actually questioning and thinking of the program. With the few accounts I have read on this board of the same content, it seems that there must be many many more out there who are seeing the TRUTH.

  ((((((((((((( Puff and Mom )))))))))))))))))))

  C

  When the pain of being where we are, becomes greater than our fear of letting go...we will risk and heal and grow.
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  teenyuck

  I just ordered CoC....for both of us...I have not read it, however, I must be informed when I send it to her and she starts reading it.

  If I can get her to read it, that is....she may see the cover and throw it out....I am keeping my fingers crossed.

  I just cannot understand how she can say that she knows the dubs are programmed and keep women repressed and then say it's the one true religion. I think deep down it is her friends. Long time (35 years now) friends that she will not give up. I am sure she knows that if she walks away, they will shun her. At least there is a crack in the facade.
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  Lady Lee

  I would think that if you put it to her that CoC is written by one of the GB who while he doesn't mention this issue he found that there were many things taught that bothered him. And this is his story. Hw could not sit idly by and swallow all the things served from the GB table

  A not-so-silent lamb
  
  Aspire to inspire before you expire
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  crownboy

  I was at the Service Meeting yesterday, and while the "2 witnesses" rule was reiterated, nothing was mentioned about apostates trying to destroy the organization (except in the closing prayer, where the brother said :"the media is attacking Jehovah's people", but not specifically apostates).

  The "2 witness" rule is clearly quite idiotic in this instance. How the hell do the brothers expect there to be more than one witness to this type of crime? I have to believe the Watchtower simply does not view child molestation as a real problem, they don't seem to realize that child molesters are very sick people. They think that if the elders speak to the guy, give him a little spiritual "oil greasing", and send up a couple of inane prayers, that the problem will be solved. Clearly, they should always go to the authorities when a victim comes forward, and not only when required (I wonder why all states don't require clergy report this stuff, BTW?).

  I was discussing this issue with my uncle after the meeting last night. He thought that the Society's advice was fear and scriptural. So I ask him "if you had a child (he's childless), and he/she came to you and told you that someone had molested them, would you pull them aside and quote the '2 witness' scripture and dismiss them if the abuser does not confess, or would you go directly to the authorities?". This had him stumped, of course, and he had to admit that the "2 witnesses" rule may have some problems, and that he himself may have trouble applying it to a situation if he was personally involved. So I told him you couldn't be angry at the Dateline people for coming forward, because they clearly have a legitimate beef with the Society (he saw the show, and he was of the opinion that the main reason they went on Dateline was to disparage the Society, that the molestation issue was their chance to do so [>:(]).

  BTW puffs, are you sure your mother is ready for CoC? Have you sensed enough doubt in her? It could backfire if she is still too indoctrinated, but clearly she is starting to think for herself, so congratulations.
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  RedhorseWoman

  Reactions such as your Mom's are the reason why the Society did not want active JWs to watch Dateline. It is also the reason they attempted to have any participants disfellowshipped before air time.

  In that way, they could justify the whole thing as an "apostate" setup by saying...."See, all of these whistleblowers have been disfellowshipped and are merely disgruntled apostates."

  Several on the active JW boards expressed this very sentiment. The fact that Bill Bowen was still a "brother" caused them to let down their guard a little.

  Unfortunately, most of the JWs have already dismissed everything as an outright lie, and many of the others will have their ruffled feathers smoothed and will soon be happily ensconced on their WT nests, pumping out golden eggs for the corporation.