Jws @ my door.unbelievable.....

by target 12 Replies latest jw friends

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  target

  Two Jws, man and wife, were just at my door. She started presenting the Watchtower and I just saw red! I can't believe the anger that welled up in me. I said something to the affect that how could they think people would want the Watchtower after seeing Dateline. She says "What are you talking about?" They really had no clue! I told them all about it and brought up the UN thing and they had no idea about that either. I told them that it is really something that their orgainzation has kept them in the dark like that. She said something about where did I "read this stuff" and I told her that I knew victims personally who were molested by a visiting Bethelite. He brought up the crap about the Bible saying two witnesses but that the elders encourage the victims to go to the police. I pointed out to them that on Dateline the molester had 17 charges against him and is in prison but is still in good standing in the congregation and the congregation stood behind him. I was so angry I could hardly talk. I did not know the depth of my feelings until then.
  Then like a good little JW he says " Well we can see you have stong feelings about this so we will be on our way. You have a good day now."
  She had said something about did I ever sit down and talk to a witness who wasn't one having complaints and I told her that I was a JW for 30 years so I knew all about their teachings. She says" Oh. are you DF'd then? I told her no I was not and I was not DA'd either, I was just DISGUSTED!
  They turned and walked away and I went to my office and got the copy of the UN letter and the transcript from Dateline and went out the door after them and they were gone. They must have had other such experiences on our street and got out of here fast.

  Now i will keep my 'literature" right at the front door ready for them. They come here often. I bet next time will be the last time.

  Target
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  Pathofthorns

  It is easy to be angry at these people, but usually they are just kept in the dark by people who know better. For the most part they are ignorant and lost.

  If you hope to reach them you will have to take it slow and easy with them. If you were a Witness, think back to when you were in their shoes. If you knew then what you know now, you wouldn't have ever been one. They either don't know, don't want to know or awareness of a larger picture hasn't quite 'clicked' yet.

  Path
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  SYN

  Target, remember you worried you were when you were a Dub that you would get an extremely angry householder? Well, you just became your own worst nightmare! Give 'em a break, they obviously didn't know what was cutting, so don't hate them for their ignorance. Hate the Tower, not the Dubs. Would you hate someone who got AIDS from a blood transfusion? I doubt it. Nor should you hate someone who has this dangerous meme curled up around their cerebrum.

  Just take it easy!

  I'd probably be pretty pissed off too if a Dub came to my door, so I can sympathize, but instead of getting angry I would just talk about the UN, Dateline, and make lots of mind-meme jokes. Easy!

  "Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox." The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 p. 293-4 - The Sacredness of Human Blood (Reasons why vaccination is unscriptural)
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  LDH

  If they came to my door at this instant I would go door to door with them handing out the ready made packets of info i have.

  Yessiree as soon as they show up I plan to start Witnessing about the Witnesses!!!!!

  Lisa
  Can't wait class
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  Lady Lee

  Two eldersly ladies came to my house yesterday. I actually had a good talk with them and both went home wanting an explanation from their elder and said they didn't care if they got DFed. The elders had to get the pedophiles out of the congregation and keep them out forever.

  One had seen the show and taped it and the other agreed to go watch it

  They also told me they were warned at the service meeting to say it was all lies but the lady who had seen the show said "Where there's smoke there's fire"

  I alos put a wee bit of fear in them when I told them that even though a pedophile cannot hold a position it would not stop him from showing up at a service meeting and if he was the only male there he would have to take the lead AND say the prayer for them. Both appropriately horrified at that idea.

  Then I sent them on their way to make sure the young ladies who were with them were OK (at the next door when we started talking) and on a mission to make sure that no pedophile was going to be praying for them

  A not-so-silent lamb
  
  Aspire to inspire before you expire
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  SEAKEN2001

  Syn,

  what is a "meme"? It is not in my dictionary. What are you referrng to?

  Sean
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  Gopher

  Sean,

  Here is the definition of meme from m-w.com (Merriam-Webster online American English dictionary):

  : an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture

  
  -J.R.

  Don't let yesterday use up too much of today.--Will Rogers, 1879-1935
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  target

  Let my clarify something here. I never said I was angry AT THEM. I was angry about what we were talking about. I never yelled at them or anything. I was angry that they had a letter read to them and never told why. I was angry that they were never told by their elders that there is a molestation issue, that there is a UN issue. I told them that they only know what the Society wants them to know.
  I do not think I would have been so angry if they had known what I was talking about. I was angry that they are sent out door to door without a clue about what they are going to face when the elders know full well what it is all about.
  I never expected to feel that kind of anger. It took me totally by surprise.
  I do not think they thought I was angry at them. They would not have stayed as long as they did and ask questions about what I was referring to if they did. I think they were aware that it was the issues I was angry about and the fact that they had been kept in the dark about it all.

  Target
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  Lady Lee

  Target I had to make that point clear to the 2 ladies who visited me yesterday. I think at the beginning they thought I was angry at tehm. But it is the org that does the lying along with a few who know and tow the party line. I think that as long as we are respectful even if we are angry at the situation they will listen. Hopefully we don't forget that we're not supposed to kill the messenger

  A not-so-silent lamb
  
  Aspire to inspire before you expire
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  raven101

  I think both Target and LadyLees stories are a beautiful example of the harmony of the universe (multi-faceted beast that WE are) at work.

  LadyLee, your approach was the approach that is most generally productive . . . to SOLICIT THOUGHT . . . and it was obviously a very harmonious and mutually productive exchange. A reason for celebration.

  Some people are so deeply entrenched in their belief system, however, that they are largely incapable of being moved subtly to independent thought . . . I believe at least one of the individuals at your door Target, fell into that category. We should never deny the truth that inspires pure emotion, it is drawn from same well as intuition.
  You said:

  "I never expected to feel that kind of anger. It took me totally by surprise."

  "I was so angry I could hardly talk. I did not know the depth of my feelings until then."

  I have full faith in the harmony behind all of creation, and as such I have no doubt there were very real benefits to all three of you from this encounter.

  It sounds to me like the woman knew nothing about the situation, she was blindsided, you can be sure this will inspire thought.

  It sounds like the man probably knew what you were talking about . . .
  
  "He brought up the crap about the Bible saying two witnesses but that the elders encourage the victims to go to the police"

  he had certainly contemplated the implications of the two witness thing.

  Whether these people choose to use the thought inspired by this encounter to call them to closer inspection of the organizations and their own beliefs, or to further entrench themselves into their respective stances is their choice.

  You can be sure however that the truth behind the display of your instinctive emotion gave them a bump in the direction that is right for them at this time.

  Thanks to both of you for sharing your stories today,

  Raven101