Blood Transfusions and Pedophilia

by Lee Elder 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • Lee Elder
    Lee Elder

    AJWRB was approached early on about working together on these issues. We took a hard look and opted out for ethical and pragmatic reasons. Though the issues share a common thread (child abuse), they have to be approached in different ways. Ultimately, we felt direct linkage would detract from the work we are trying to do and that the pedophilia problem required immediate and separate action.

    The process of getting the public to agree that children should not be sexually abused and that their abusers should not be sheltered is very straightforward.
    The process of getting the public to agree that Jehovah's Witnesses should not have the right to refuse a blood transfusion is impractical. The necessary arguments are technical and very focused, and the right forum is the medical community.

    Any attempt at hyperbole or sensationalism is quickly shot down by peer reviewed medical journals. However, through careful analysis we have been able to construct solid arguments that resulted in the WTS losing the blood debate in the medical ethics community. This was a victory for AJWRB but it will take years for this to filter down through the other medical communities.

    There is something else to bear in mind as well. When we talk about the victims of the WTS blood transfusion policy, we are usually talking about dead people. There are no victims to place in front of a TV camera and interview. Additionally, how many JW parents are prepared to come forward and talk about the incredibly painful mistake they made in deciding to sacrifice their child? I know of perhaps one ex-JW woman who might consider doing something like that but to do so she must risk effectively ending her relationship with her other believing JW children. She's been through enough - I would never ask that of her.

    So unlike the pedophilia issue, the blood issue by its unique nature does not lend itself well to use of the media - we will never have an Erica Garza. The identities of living JW minors cannot be used and most who need medically necessary blood transfusions go to an early grave. Sadly, we know that probably half of these kids that have died supporting the WTS irrational blood transfusion policy would have grown up and left the WTS anyway - how tragic that some court did not intervene and give them a chance to live. Here we have hundreds, perhaps thousands of permanently "Silent Lambs" in the ultimate sense - they will never roar. They were "small sacrifices" to the WTS blood transfusion policy.

    As you can see from the recent "Shunned Father" story, this is an expensive issue for JW dissidents and other concerned individuals to address. Huge amounts of money are needed to take on the WTS and its mini army of volunteer attorneys. Medical communities must be lobbied, expensive and time consuming research is needed to publish articles in major medical journals like NEJM, JAMA, etc. Costly presentations must be made to medical professionals at conventions. Legal research needs to be done and cases must be won in the courts.

    All of this is going to take a great deal of time and money. If I were a wealthy man, I'd happily part with those funds to make all of this happen. Unfortunately, I am not. A handful of individuals have made some significant contributions to AJWRB that enabled us to print thousands of brochures, put on two major medical conferences and open a lot of eyes, but much more can be done if the resources become available to us. Ultimately, that is up to individuals like the readers of this forum.

    The WTS blood policy can be shaped by outside forces like AJWRB but it requires skill, resources and time. A common thread between the Pedophilia issue and the blood transfusion issue (child abuse) exists, but the approach to dealing with these issues is radically different. AJWRB genuinely appreciates the support that has been provided through this forum and we'll continue to do our best to educate both JWs and the medical community with the goal of insuring that all JWs have a free choice in their medical care without fear of WTS enforced sanctions that can separate them from their family members and friends.

    Best regards,

    Lee

  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    Unfirtunately, so much is wrong with this 'religion' that seems to be a need for a various appraoaches to deal with it.

    The issue of same gender relationships within the organization also touches on child abuse, since many individuals within the organization affected by Watchtower's anti-gay stance are under the age of majority.

    Under the best of circumstances young people today have a hard time coping with growing up, they do not need Watchtower calling them 'perverts' in their literature and ordering them to carry around this literature door to door and hearing about it constantly at the Kingdon Hall.

    Even in the midst of a child abuse scandal, Watchtower couldn't miss an opportunity for an anti-gay barb on their website.

    Having these different venues of change is good for all of us, becasue we have a choice what we can focus on as well.

    I want to take this opportunity to thank all the non-JW's for everything they do. I feel deeply indebted to them. there were non-jw's present at Ritzville and at Draffenville. Bless them.

    hugs to Silentlambs, AJWRB, A Common Bond, and all the other groups now too numerous to name.

    And a special thought to all the children gone from us, whose voices we can't hear right now. YOU WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.

  • nancee park
    nancee park

    I spoke with a medical doctor last month. She has JWs friends and out of respect for them believes it right to not give transfusions to JWs, yes, including JW kids! So you have not "won" the debate with all the medical community. This unbiblical (Mt 12) and dangerous anti-transfusion stand of the Watchtower Society since the 1960s has killed many, still does, and still needs publicised including outside of medical journals for example by letters to the doctors themselves. You disagree and won't take it to the public. So be it for yourself. But don't be surprised when others do.

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    Lee Elder,

    Just a few thoughts on this subject.

    The sexual abuse of children is illegal but the refusal of blood transfusions is not. One is a crime the other is a personal preference or in the case of JWs a religious preference.

    The Bible does speak of avoiding the eating of blood, JWs extend that application to transfusions; a religious decision. IMO, the current practice in the medical community to take each case individually; at times forcing a transfusion on some children and at other times allowing a "mature" young person to decide what they will or will not accept, is about as good as it will get or should get.

    Medicine is not an exact science, at times it has injured almost as many as it has helped. People must have the right to refuse any treatment they do not want, and religion must be allowed the right to practice as it sees fit, within the law.

    The answer is education, education, education, which is what you and others are doing and I thank you very much for that!

    Sincerely,
    IW

  • Hmmm
    Hmmm

    nancee park,

    This is what Lee said:

    However, through careful analysis we have been able to construct solid arguments that resulted in the WTS losing the blood debate in the medical ethics community. This was a victory for AJWRB but it will take years for this to filter down through the other medical communities.
    He never claimed a universal victory--just one step down a long road. Also, to say he "won't take it to the public" reads things into his statement that simply are not there. Have you read the AJWRB web site?

    Hmmm

  • crawdad2
    crawdad2

    hi lee elder,

    i agree, they are two seperate issues.

    it's really all just the tip of the ice berg.
    divorce, familes breaking up, depression, suicide.....

    attacking the pedophile problem is a clearer way for everyone to understand how warped and wicked the gov body really is.

  • Kismet
    Kismet

    Nancee:

    Let me guess, you want us to start honking our horns near hospitals now too?!?! [8>]

    First of all I agree whole heartedly with Lee's comments and more importantly the approach taken to the issue of blood by Lee and the AJWRB. It is well thought out and delivered in such a manner that it reaches the necessary audience.

    A sensationalized media frenzy will not work in this matter. The political climate right now is severely biased towards individual rights. A person's right to chose. Any attempt to take away or belittle those rights in the media will fall flat. Now is not the right time for such measures. By this do not infer I am against such right of choice for I am not. But to encourage forced transfusions on adults will be rejected ..and should be as long as the decision is an informed one !!! edits

    Formalized presentations, articles in respected medical journals carries far more weight than something appearing in the National Inquirer.

    So Nancee, anewperson, all JahChristians, and such like people please do not let your zealousness lead you into doing something stupid that could jeopardize or affect the legitimacy of the AJWRB or SilentLambs efforts

    I realize you do not need anyone's permission to do such things, but please think them through before you do!

    Kismet

  • sf
    sf

    "...how tragic that some court did not intervene and give them a chance to live. Here we have hundreds, perhaps thousands of permanently "Silent Lambs" in the ultimate sense - they will never roar. They were "small sacrifices" to the WTS blood transfusion policy."

    Thus, you can NOT blame only the WTBTS on these such deaths. The courts AND parents who sign the death warrants (WTBTS blood policy card), must also TAKE GREAT responsibility.

    That policy ALONE keeps me from EVER re-joining that ROT. How could I, knowing what I know now, in Clear and Present Conscience, ever sign such a warrant for my daughter's death? No one has that right to choose another humams fate. NOT EVEN THE PARENTS! NOT EVEN 'GOD'! That damned game player. What's worse, beating your child to death with your bare hands or signing the blood card? How can anyone justify either?

    sKally, for all the SACRIFICED SILENTLAMBS:


    Too many 'lambs'!

  • ApostasyDuJour
    ApostasyDuJour

    Dungbeetle wrote:

    The issue of same gender relationships within the organization also touches on child abuse, since many individuals within the organization affected by Watchtower's anti-gay stance are under the age of majority.

    Under the best of circumstances young people today have a hard time coping with growing up, they do not need Watchtower calling them 'perverts' in their literature and ordering them to carry around this literature door to door and hearing about it constantly at the Kingdon Hall.

    Even in the midst of a child abuse scandal, Watchtower couldn't miss an opportunity for an anti-gay barb on their website.

    The gay ex-J.W.'s (Common Bond) just posted something about this on their web site - http://www.gayxjw.org/ped.html -

  • Lee Elder
    Lee Elder

    Nancee Park wrote:

    "I spoke with a medical doctor last month. She has JWs friends and out of respect for
    them believes it right to not give transfusions to JWs, yes, including JW kids! So you
    have not "won" the debate with all the medical community. This unbiblical (Mt 12) and
    dangerous anti-transfusion stand of the Watchtower Society since the 1960s has killed
    many, still does, and still needs publicised including outside of medical journals for
    example by letters to the doctors themselves. You disagree and won't take it to the
    public. So be it for yourself. But don't be surprised when others do."

    I believe you have misunderstood my remarks. If you review my comments you'll note that I was
    speaking of the medical ethics community, not the medical community in general.

    We have made any number of attempts to take the blood issue to the media and have some good
    results in a few countries like Canada, Columbia, Finland and a few others. The U.S. media has
    never showed much interest. It is like the religion editor for the L.A. Times told me, "the WTS lying
    about its doctrines and policy isn't news." Shocking but true.

    As for writing letters to doctors, the physicians associated with AJWRB have told us that the typical
    physician is inundated with correspondance and solicitations and that the vast majority is tossed
    into the waste can without being opened.

    We do not discourage others from writing letters but simply pass on the best information we can
    about what works best.

    Best regards,

    Lee

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