No More Literal Peaceful Animals in Paradise?

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  • FusionTheism
    FusionTheism

    There is a quote in the new June episode of JW Broadcasting, which says Isaiah 11:6 applies to people inside the Congregations now who have their personalities transformed.

    In the 1980's and 1990's, when I attended meetings all the time, I always heard them say this Scripture had a LITERAL fulfillment and the animals will be at peace with one another.

    Here is the Scripture:

    Isaiah 11:6 (NWT): The wolf will reside for a while with the lamb, And with the young goat the leopard will lie down, And the calf and the lion and the fattened animal will all be together; And a little boy will lead them.

    After hearing the quote, I did a search on JW.org, and I found this statement regarding that Scripture:

    Isaiah Book 1, Pages 163-165:

    Do these words not touch the heart? Notice that the peace described here results from the knowledge of Jehovah. Hence, more is involved than mere safety from wild animals. The knowledge of Jehovah will not change animals, but it will affect people. Neither on the way home nor in their restored land will the Israelites need to fear wild beasts or beastlike men.—Ezra 8:21, 22; Isaiah 35:8-10; 65:25.

    14 This prophecy, however, has a larger fulfillment. In 1914, Jesus, the Messiah, was enthroned on heavenly Mount Zion. In 1919 the remaining ones of “the Israel of God” experienced release from Babylonish captivity and shared in the restoration of true worship. (Galatians 6:16) As a result, the way was opened for a modern-day fulfillment of Isaiah’s Paradise prophecy. “Accurate knowledge,” the knowledge of Jehovah, has changed personalities. (Colossians 3:9, 10) Formerly violent people have become peaceable. (Romans 12:2; Ephesians 4:17-24) These developments have now affected millions because Isaiah’s prophecy has come to include a rapidly increasing number of Christians with an earthly hope. (Psalm 37:29; Isaiah 60:22) These have learned to look to the time when the whole earth will be restored as a secure, peaceful paradise, according to God’s original purpose.—Matthew 6:9, 10; 2 Peter 3:13.

    15 In that restored Paradise, will Isaiah’s prophecy have a further, perhaps more literal, fulfillment? It seems reasonable to think so. The prophecy gives to all who will live under the Messiah’s rule the same assurance that it gave to the returning Israelites; they and their children will not feel threatened by harm from any source—human or animal. Under the Messiah’s Kingdom rule, all earth’s inhabitants will enjoy peaceful conditions like those that Adam and Eve enjoyed in Eden. Of course, the Scriptures do not reveal every detail of what life was like in Eden—or of what it will be like in Paradise. We can be confident, though, that under the wise and loving rule of the King Jesus Christ, everything will be just as it should be.

  • Daniel1555
    Daniel1555

    When they speak to children it is a literal understanding talking about their pet zoo in paradise.

    When talking to a sceptic it's a symbolic understanding.

  • Magnum
    Magnum

    There is a quote in the new June episode of JW Broadcasting, which says Isaiah 11:6 applies to people inside the Congregations now who have their personalities transformed.

    In the 1980's and 1990's, when I attended meetings all the time, I always heard them say this Scripture had a LITERAL fulfillment and the animals will be at peace with one another.

    For as long as I can remember, they've said it applies to both. However, it seems that they don't emphasize as much the animal part and are not being dogmatic about it. I think they realize the issues with it, such as all the questions concerning it and how it just seemingly couldn't work.

  • goingthruthemotions
    goingthruthemotions

    the thing i hear is this, it's all a made up fantasy world. with statements like " it's reasonable" we all know that jw sheeple are not allowed to reason.

    it just a different form of dungeons and dragons.

  • recovering
    recovering

    I am surprised that they have not changed it to this,

    isaiah 11:6 (nwt): the wolf will reside for a while with the lamb, and with the young goat the leopard will lie down, and the calf and the lion and the fattened animal will all be together; and a child molester will lead them all.

  • Splash
    Splash

    Looking at the way they switch the application back and forth, I think it must mean both.

    IS ISA 11:6 (LIONS WILL EAT STRAW) LITERAL OR FIGURATIVE?

    Literal - w50 10/15 p. 399 Questions From Readers
    If that outstanding carnivorous animal, the lion, is to "eat straw like the ox", surely no others will be meat-eaters.

    Figurative - w67 4/15 p. 240 par. 12 The Benefits of Mankind's Millennium
    these formerly divided peoples cultivate and display the peaceful Christian spirit toward one another, instead of beastliness. This was prefigured in the following Messianic prophecy:

    Literal - w70 5/1 p. 267 par. 8 Keep Close in Mind "The Conclusion of the System of Things"
    Even the animals will be peaceable... In fact, the scripture at Isaiah 11:6-9 pictures a wolf and a lamb living together peacefully.

    Both Literal and Figurative - w71 4/15 p. 245 par. 21 How "Restoration of All Things" Is Made
    The beauty of that peace and harmony, besides now fulfilling the further words of the prophet Isaiah in a spiritual sense, will become more concrete in a literal fulfillment of those same prophetic words, which we read in Isaiah 11:6-9:

    Literal - w71 2/15 p. 106 Family Study a Blessing
    teacher called the mother, who through a friend explained the child's desire to play with a lion in Paradise.

    Figurative - Man's Salvation book (1975) p 191/2
    here these potentially harmful animals must be used as illustrations in the prophecy

    Both Literal and Figurative - w75 10/1 p. 607 par. 13 Flight to the True Kingdom Refuge
    The harmless relationship between beast and man that will then prevail will correspond with the description of Isaiah 11:6-9, which has already found its fulfillment in the spiritual paradise now enjoyed by Jehovah's Christian witnesses.

    Figurative - w76 2/15 p. 127 Isaiah—A Book Overflowing with Good News!
    In Jehovah's spiritual paradise today persons who formerly had dispositions like a wolf, a leopard, a lion or a bear have become docile.

    Literal - w77 10/1 p. 592 Changing Personalities in Kenya's Paradise
    in God's new order, it can be expected that even the most vicious of the wild animals will be tamed, to live at peace alongside mankind

    Figurative - w79 10/15 p. 9 What Blessings on Earth During the Millennium?
    Irenaeus recognized that these words are a fitting description of how God's truth can make personality changes in "savage men".

    Both Literal and Figurative - w80 1/15 p. 14 par. 22 God's Government—Mankind's Only Hope
    Even today persons with animalistic tendencies, by applying God's Word in their lives, are learning to live at peace with others. God's Word indicates that, under Kingdom rule, even the animals will live in peace

    Literal - w81 4/15 p. 5 Origin of the Millennial Hope
    The lamb will not dread the wolf, nor will the leopard harm the kid (xi. 8 [6]); that is, as the following verse explains, tyranny and violence will no longer be practised on God's holy mountain

    Figurative - w83 12/15 p. 15 Do You Remember?
    This is a foretaste of how humans will live together peacefully on this earth in a physical Paradise during the Thousand Year Reign of Christ Jesus

    Both Literal and Figurative - w83 12/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers
    "It would be inconsistent for God to inspire such a prophecy as that of Isa 11:6-9, Eze 34:25 and Hos 2:18 to have only a figurative or spiritual meaning and not have a true copy of these things in actual life

    Literal - w83 11/15 p. 30 par. 18 Abound in Hope!
    why, "even the lion will eat straw just like the bull," as no doubt it did in Eden

    Figurative - w83 10/1 p. 7 Can You Enjoy a Paradise Now?
    there is only one force in the universe that can cause people to make such drastic changes in their disposition.

    Literal - w83 10/1 pp. 4-5 Can You Enjoy a Paradise Now?
    This would restore the Paradise conditions that existed in the garden of Eden when animals and humans lived in that garden in perfect harmony.

    Figurative - w85 1/1 p. 14 par. 20 Unified In Publishing the Word of Jehovah
    It is illustrated at Isaiah 11:6-9, which tells of the spiritual paradise now existing among Jehovah's restored people

    Literal - w88 11/15 p. 6 The New World—Paradise Regained!
    Think of children able to play safely with animals now so dangerous.

    Figurative - w88 6/1 p. 7 Why Some Have Changed Their Religion
    People with personalities formerly as different as sheep are from wolves are now getting along peaceably in the Christian assembly.

    Literal - w89 11/15 p. 13 par. 16 Do All Things for the Good News
    she showed me Isaiah 11:6-9 about animals living in true peace

    Figurative - w92 10/1 p. 19 par. 19 The Messiah's Presence and His Rule
    the subjects of his Kingdom are learning to live peaceably together, fulfilling Isaiah 11:6-9

    Literal - w96 12/1 p. 15 par. 1 Youths Who Remember Their Creator
    Then I dream about how beautiful Paradise will be in the future and about how I can touch the animals then.

    Figurative - w96 2/15 p. 25 Spreading Bible Truth in Portugal
    Truly a case of 'the wolf residing with the lamb'!

    Both literal and Figurative - w98 7/15 p. 6 What Future Do You Want for Your Children?
    Try to envision the grand fulfillment of this prophecy: "The wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them." (Isaiah 11:6) Even today, the spiritual security described in these words has a figurative fulfillment

    Figurative - w01 9/15 p. 18 par. 11 Jehovah's Blessing Makes Us Rich
    This "fruitage of the spirit" is part of "the new personality" that Christians put on in place of any rapacious, beastlike traits they may formerly have displayed.

    Literal - w03 11/15 p. 6 You Can Believe in a Paradise Earth
    Animals will pose no danger to man.

    Figurative - w03 4/1 p. 19 par. 18 Mildness—An Essential Christian Quality
    The Bible likens this transformation to the change of vicious wild beasts—wolf, leopard, lion, bear, and cobra—to peaceful domestic animals—lamb, kid, calf, and cow.

    Literal - w03 1/15 p. 6 Has Evil Won?
    Their peace will not be threatened from any source—human or animal.

    Figurative - w04 11/1 p. 7 Who Is the Right Leader for Today?
    Those men who today attack others like voracious lions or who act like ill-tempered bears toward their neighbors will have changed their dispositions completely.

    Literal - w04 10/1 p. 6 "The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth"—How?
    They will enjoy peace even with the beasts of the field.

    Figurative - w04 5/1 p. 8 par. 1 Be Courageous Like Jeremiah
    JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES dwell in a spiritual paradise.

    Literal - w07 9/1 p. 7 "Written for Our Instruction"
    What a beautiful prospect!

    Figurative - w08 5/15 p. 28 Pursue "Holiness in God's Fear"
    Figuratively speaking, people who are violent and aggressive in action and speech are compared to wild beasts.

    Literal - Wt 2012 9/15 p10
    So we should not be surprised when we read in the Bible that peace will come to prevail between humans and animals. (Read Isaiah 11:6-9; 65:25.)

  • daringhart13
    daringhart13
    Oh Splash.....that is PURE GOLD ....LOL LOL thank you
  • blondie
    blondie

    In that restored Paradise, will Isaiah’s prophecy have a further, perhaps more literal, fulfillment? It seems reasonable to think so

    Translated: the bible doesn't say so but we the GB speak for God

    GB=WESAYSO Corporation

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w12 9/15 p. 10 par. 9 Peace for a Thousand Years—And Beyond! ***

    So we should not be surprised when we read in the Bible that peace will come to prevail between humans and animals. (Read Isaiah 11:6-9; 65:25.) Why not? Recall that when Noah and his family emerged from the ark after the Flood, Jehovah told them: “A fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the earth.” That was for the animals’ self-preservation. (Gen. 9:2, 3) Could not Jehovah remove a measure of that fear and terror, so that his original mandate would be fulfilled? (Hos. 2:18) What an enjoyable time awaits all who will survive to live on earth then!

    *** w83 12/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

    Referring to other restoration prophecies, the Society’s book God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached (1973) stated: “It would be inconsistent for God to inspire such a prophecy as that of Isaiah 11:6-9, and Ezekiel 34:25 and Hosea 2:18 to have only a figurative or spiritual meaning and not have a true copy of these things in actual life, as though the literal fulfillment were an impossible ideal.”

    Another example of speaking out of both sides of their mouth.

    talk out of both sides of your mouth

    also speak out of both sides of your mouth

    to say different things to different people about the same subject How can we trust him when we know he talks out of both sides of his mouth?
    See also: both, mouth, of, out, side, talk
    Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    goingthruthemotions - "it just a different form of dungeons and dragons."

    Would that make Anthony Morris III the Dungeon Master?

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