Email / Viruses / Security Info

by Amazing 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi all: I have noticed a couple of posts recently about email being sent on the account of others, and some getting viruses, etc. Here are some helpful points. I hope others can add to this:

    If an email is sent out in your name, it may not necessarily be some evil, mean JW person hacking you ... it is more likely any number of hackers who happened to land on your system. About 3 or 4 months ago I received an email from some ex-JW friends (or so I thought) and traced it back to a library where they did research ... as it turned out, the library was two states away from where they were at the time, because they were out traveling. The librarian did not send the email either, and it appears that someone hacked my friends system, sent an email that appeared to come from them, and sourced back to the library. Soooo ... I had my friends switch to my hotmail account to prevent future problems.

    RECOMMENDATIONS:

    Hotmail is a routing service and automatically screens for viruses: It cannot penetrate your system unless you download something sent to your Hotmail account. I recommend that your email account used for online chats and posting forums be a Hotmail account. When you suscribe to Hotmail, you can use fictitious information so that if a hacker breaks into Hotmail, they cannot learn who you are. While fictitious, you do need real information. For example: I use some name like Joe Smith in Florida, or Alaska, etc with a correct zip code for Florida, or Alaska or whatever State I use. If you attempt a false Zip code, Hotmail will reject the account.

    Internet Security / Firewall / Antivirus: Norton, by Symantec is the best in my opinion, although there are other great systems that are very good. I STRONGLY recommend having BOTH the Firewall and Anti-Virus. The Firewall also stops Hackers dead in their tracks so that the odds of planting a Virus or Trojan into your system in the first place are greatly reduced. Norton Firewall also allows tracing of the hacker so you can report them to their employer and/or ISP. Anti-Virus alone is good, but can lag behind new viruses, and your system could get corrupted before Norton or whatever Anti-Virus program you have can fix it. On average there are 50 NEW Viruses developed each week by people with nothing better to do than mess with their fellow human.

    Poison Pill: I do not know of any commercial grade software available that allows you to send a Poison Pill back to the hacker's system ... but I am working on my own version. Essentially, the type of Poison Pill I hope to have will secretly slip back to the Hacker, and totally destroy their entire PC system with no traces. I mean erase everything on their hard drive, and render it inoperable. If it works well, I might market it. Hackers will devise ways around such a thing ... but the presence of Poison Pills may reduce the level of Hacker Traffic on the Net, which is at an all time high right now.

    Don't over-react: When I first saw the email from my friends, and my system screened out the virus, I called them to let them know they sent a virus ... fortunately we are on close terms and we all laughed about what happened ... but it could have been easy to assume they were screwing with me, and if I had over-reacted, I could have lost their friendship by shooting off my mouth. Don't assume that the Watchtower is out to get us ... there could be weird renegade JWs hacking us ... maybe even a weird Bethelite or two ... but I doubt that the GB is directing anything of the sort ... they are bad religious leaders, but I can't imagine them being that desperate so as to hunt down ex-JWs on the net and cause that much trouble. If I am proven wrong, I guess I will have to eat what I am saying ... but generally, Hackers could be anyone, and not necessarily some specific person from a specific group.

    Sharing Information: Any additional comments will be greatly appreciated ... I think it is good that we discuss Internet issues at times, because this helps us share what we know and find ways to have a more secure experience. We have some really good experts on line, and I hope that they can give some additional insights and things we can do to protect our systems.

    Edited by - Amazing on 20 June 2002 15:59:24

  • Mimilly
    Mimilly

    Amazing - THanks for the info. I've got a firewall up and am running Kaspersky's anti-virus. My problem with hotmail is that you have to pay for extra space, which I cannot do. For a bit after Dateline aired, I had about 10 worms and a trojan on my system. I was receiving mail that wasn't even addressed to me. It was as though email from another poster here was plucked off their system and sent to me.

    All scans done now are showing nothing. The emails that weren't mine have stopped. Is there any chance something could still be hibernating on my system?

    Mimilly

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Mimilly: You ask a good question,

    My problem with hotmail is that you have to pay for extra space, which I cannot do.

    I have my private ISP service, such as Earthlink, AOL, etc. I have my business screen name, my private email screen name, and a spare screen name for certain research. I block these from receiving commercial material and most email.

    I use my FREE Hotmail account for JWD and some other ex-JW forums only. They give you 2.2 meg of free space anyway ... and I find that I rarely use over 0.5 megs. Right now I am way behind answering email on Hotmail, and I have about 0.75 megs used. I rarely save email from Hotmail, and toss it once I have answered people. But, were I to need extra space, up to the 10 megs Hotmail offers, it only costs $20 a year ... or about $1.67 a month. But in three years, I have never had a need for any extra space. You can also open extra Hotmail accounts if needed.

    You also asked,

    All scans done now are showing nothing. The emails that weren't mine have stopped. Is there any chance something could still be hibernating on my system?

    There is always a chance I suppose. I am not at all familiar with Kaspersky's anti-virus. Hotmail uses McAfee. I use Norton ... so I get the benefit of two different anti-virus systems. As long as my systems works well and Norton does not alert me, I tend to live in bliss. ... But, another things that some do, inlcuding me, is to save all my important files and records on my back-up drive, then go in once or twice a year and reformat my C Drive. Then restore the programs I like and then gradually bring over my stored files as I use them ... screen them individuall first ... and this helps get rid of kinks and unexplained knots in the system ... kind of like a good spring cleaning.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Yes, I find hotmail great for antivirus (why why why does AOL allow viruses thorugh their system?!?) although I get spammed to death. I'm thinking of setting it to only allow people in my address book to send stuff. I may be cynical but it seems that the amount of junk has increased and is filling up my inbox ever since they launched the idea of paying for more storage ... hmnn.

    I have norton on my PC as well as a NAT router & firewall with all the ports routed to a fictitious IP address, no response to pings etc. Since using this I have not had any alerts from norton on my PC (but it's there just the same). Any security tests I run shows up nothing there which helps a bit.

    I'm currently looking at using something like SpamKiller by McAffee to delete junk email and virus email before I download it but still have the antivirus s'ware as well. I think you are at much more of a risk than being hacked.

    Also worth noting: All theis protection is worthless if you are not careful what you download and run! Do you really want to risk your system to see some jokey animation that will make you chuckle once for a few seconds? DONT RUN CODE FROM ANYONE YOU DONT TRUST.

    One other key thing: KEEP YOUR SYSTEM UP-TO-DATE it does make it much harder to hack. Use Microsoft update to install security patches and regularly update you AV signatures.

    At first, getting viruses and hack attempts is scary and it is tempting to think someone is out to get you (is that a JW thing I wonder?) but after a while it becomes routine and nothing too much to worry about. If the worst should ever happen, well, there is nothing like haveing good backups. You do backup don't you?!?!

    I'll be first in the queue for you PoisonPill amazing - even if it just hits the script kiddies it will do some good to say nothing of the warm cozy feeling it will provide when you click 'send', lol.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I tend to rebuild my system every now and then too. This is more of a performance thing though - over time you build up programs you don't use (I try a lot of tools & components) and the uninstall is never 100%.

    Your system runs really fast when it's just been installed with fresh drivers and stuff !

    BTW: For testing software I would recommend VMWare which provides virtual machines which can run other copies of windows (or other OS's). It allows you to try things in an 'expendable' isolated machine which can be rolled back if it is something nasty. It can also be used to create a totally secure laptop (ie. even raw access to the hard disk cannot access the information) and there is a link somewhere on their link to a whitepaper from the NSA (I think?)

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    Amazing -

    Thank you for the information.

    Simon -

    Thank you for the additional information.

    Hopefully this will help someone who is currently encountering problems with their email being "compromised."

  • TheStar
    TheStar
    it may not necessarily be some evil, mean JW person hacking you

    I agree, this is true. However, I find it interesting that on this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29822&site=3 we learned that many of us here recieved the same email containing a virus.

    I also find it interesting that I have been on other forums, chat pages etc. for years and have never had a problem with getting hacked or recieving viruses. A couple of years ago I had a ton of exe's I got from a variety of internet friends from all over the place. I have only started recieving viruses since coming aboard on this forum, never before had I ever recieved a virus and my home computer had never had Anti-virus software. I don't know how else to explain it.

  • butalbee
    butalbee

    There is a nasty virus called downloader-W, that is out and about on certain web addresses, not email. It's also called browseevt and has file names like ausvc.exe or coolstuff.ocx. I would mention the exact web sites to stay away from, but with my luck you'd go there and then blame me. If you UPDATE your virus software, you'll be find. But this virus preys upon your activeX components, which I think are only necessary for certain web pages anyway. My mother's computer suffered from this. And after installing QuickClean from Mcafee I think I've finally gotten rid of most of it for her. Just beware, virus CAN come from web pages too.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Amazing,

    : Essentially, the type of Poison Pill I hope to have will secretly slip back to the Hacker, and totally destroy their entire PC system with no traces. I mean erase everything on their hard drive, and render it inoperable.

    That's a federal felony, hackers or no hackers.

    Farkel

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hey Farlel:

    That's a federal felony, hackers or no hackers.

    Maybe. Guess they would have to find me, and send me to jail ... but the hacker would have to admit hacking my system. One good felony deserves another - me and the hacker could be in jail together, calling each other sweetie! Btw: Serious Question: Do you by chance happen to know the US Code that would govern whether I could send out the Pill?

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