Russells Bible Students..Still Kicking

by LeeHiker 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • LeeHiker
    LeeHiker

    I was looking around the net for some
    online version of Russells (Finished Mystery)in
    paticular,the Train,head of steam and all that,
    I believe its in the Finished Mystery book,if
    anyone dose know of this,please do tell,thank
    you.
    I came across this site,the original Russell
    Bible Students,they have a section for JWs,can
    you imagine that,the internet never fails to
    amaze me. http://www.biblestudents.net/
    LeeHiker

    Message before entering Message Board:
    Bible Students Discussion Forum
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    Welcome to the Bible Students Online Forum. We hope you enjoy your discussions with one another. We ask only that you conduct yourselves in a Christian manner. If you are not Christian, then we ask that you conduct yourselves as humanly possible. Any and all post that contain profanity will be deleted. Lord bless you all and enjoy!

    The Bible Students
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    So there you have it,non Christians,try to conduct yourselves
    as humanly as possible,try not to do anything baboonish like
    throw your feces at the speaker.Ouch! [>:(]

    Edited by - leehiker on 4 March 2001 16:39:50

  • crittersitter
    crittersitter

    i briefly checked out the site....more of the same..we got the "truth" you guys don't!!
    i guess charle and the pyramids and his masonic connections still have a hold on millions(according to them)

  • logical
    logical

    $50 each for CD-Roms of old Watchtowers? You gotta be joking.

    You can get blank CD-R's for about £1 each here and it would only cost a couple of dollars most for postage. Add a little bit for your time yes, but $45??? (assuming you use expensive CD-R's).

    $50. $54 including postage. EACH. I cant believe that. Daylight robbery. I'll give you $5 each max.

    Do the WTS know about this?

  • Thirdson
    Thirdson

    Hey Logical,

    Of course the WTS knows about this. But at $50 a shot what do they care. They might care if old Watchtowers were being given away for free then there might be a few more in circulation and a few more R&F checking past utterances.

    Thirdson

    'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello LeeHiker, THIRDSON and friends,

    these few line are about the BIBLE STUDENTS,

    C.T. Russell books and many other interesting

    things from the 1870's ...!

    for Zion's Watchtowers ONLINE and free:

    http://Reslight.addr.com/towers/

    --------------------------------------------------------
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Thebes/5606.catalog/htm
    (fascinating, interesting and amazing!!!)

    for the older publications i.e.

    "The finished Mystery", "Studies of the Scriptures",

    "Faith on the March", "The Laodicean Messenger",

    yes ! and "Millions nowa living...."

    I can assure you all, you'll have not

    wasted your time!!!

    Greetings

    J.C.MacHislopp

  • RR
    RR

    Yes, we are "still kicking." Now, if you'll allow me to explain. The CD Roms on the site are mine, as you will see my name is attached to the software.

    If you'll notice, the CD's that are produced by the Bible Students, the Harvest Truth database, the Bible Students Library and the Berean Bible Studies are much cheaper, simply because they are produced by us, and the postage and handling is included [priority mail, $5.00, each] unless they order more than one, then the postage is cheaper.

    Now, I don't get a discount on these software, so when I order them, I have to pay not only the price for each, but also the P&H. As to the Watch Tower's and Rutherford's writings, I make NOTHING on these, as they cost me exactly $50.00 each, from the producers of these.

    One can scan the various anti-witness sites, such as Witness, Inc and MacGregor Ministries and see that they also charge from $50.00 to $70.00 for each CD. So why do I offer these, if I don't make money?

    First of all, I'm not in it for the money, it's a ministry. I purchased a few copies for some Bible Students, and had some extra copies, so I'm trying to deplete my supply, then the post 1920 Watch Tower stuff will be off the site, as we do not want to promote Rutherford's theology. However, I thought it would be nice for some to research the old stuff and see how and where the changes came from.

    Now it is possible to get a discount from those who produce the software, however one must be willing to buy the stuff in bulk, and unless you are willing to spend hundreds if not thousands to receive the discount and make some money, then you will have to buy them at $50.00 a piece, or buy them in bulk and hope you'll be able to deplete your supply in hopes of getting your money back.

    On the side, not all computers are CD-R compatible. One would need a duplicator. One other thing, you are right. I recently was made aware of a company that mass produces software for people, for a small fee, they will produce the CD, jacket, jewel case, etc and the CD's could cost you as little as 5.00 each, if you buy them in lots of 10,000, they could cost you as little as .99 each, anything over 10,000 you will have to call up. I know for a fact that the Society uses an outside company to do their software, and I know they had them mass produced by the hundreds of the thousands, and yet they hinted at a donation of up to $60.00 to $90.00, so, go figure, if they made each one for $1.00 and charge $60.00, that's a big profit.

    Bible Students have a small market, the CD's are normally for members within the Church, since we're not in the millions or even hundreds of thousands, we produce the software in the low hundreds. Each CD consist of everything that is expect of a CD Rom, jewel case, full color booklet, etc. Duplicators are not cheap, as little as $900.00 for a one-to-one, forget about getting a multi- duplicator that can make several at a time, those go into the thousands, then there's the booklet maker, we use an actual printing press, NOT cheap by any means, then there's the CD printer, the printer itself cost about $900.00 depending on the quality. these print right on the CD Rom. There's a lot involved.

    In fact, we were told that we lose money on the Bible Students Library which is a 2 CD set, but we wanted to make them affordable to our members.

    We are a "mom and pop" show, compared to the Watch Tower, who has millions of dollars at their disposal, we don't have that luxury. We're not out to save the world. And I would asume that by your comment that "we got the "truth" you guys don't!!" that you believe we do believe that. Let me just say that, although we believe we have truth, we do not confine the rest of mankind to second death at armageddon, believing that only Bible Students will survive.

    In fact, we have a much broader message than that, believing that EVERYONE get's a second chance, since in reality, they never really got a first chance having been born in sin and death and being blinded by the adversary.

    Also, a scan at the more than dozen or so Bible Student website, will reveal that not all Bible Students think alike, we have our differences, and we do not demand complete conformity, as does the WT Society. We agree to disagree!

    So, my point is ... before you begin to point your fingers, and making comments on things you really know nothing about, you should rely on your own research, instead of relying on someones own biased research.

    Lord bless!

    _______________
    Less Religion and more Jesus!

    Edited by - RR on 4 March 2001 19:41:44

  • logical
    logical

    sorry, im bad

    How about burning me a copy of them?

  • RR
    RR

    That would be illegal!

    _______________
    Less Religion and more Jesus!

  • Simon
    Simon

    I think I have bought some of the CDs...
    They are useful in that the society will NOT provide reprints of the old literature which contains a lot of interesting stuff.

  • LeeHiker
    LeeHiker

    Hi Machislopp
    Thanks for the links,very interesting,the first
    link worked but the second did not,could you
    post it again,thank you.
    Hi RR
    Are the Bible students at your site the (original
    bible Students)from Russell or are there other branches.
    Also,the Finished Mystery by Russell,is it a single
    book or is it part of a series, can it be found on
    CD?
    Thanks to all,here in New England,we are about to
    get hit with the Blizzard of 2001,and I thought spring
    was here oh well,Mush Mush.
    Lee Hiker

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