Door to door

by Bang 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Bang
    Bang

    In hope of freeing a slave, I am continuing to post about going door to door.

    "do not go from house to house"

    The problem with going house to house is that instead of "seeking out those who are worthy" as directed, holy things are given to dogs and they attack people with it, and so on.

    There is NO scriptual basis for going house to house. The command is "Do Not" - and there are others like it - "Do not give dogs what is holy". I'm sure most people posting here can bear witness to the type of 'worthy' that are all too frequently gathered by going from house to house - who have attacked them through what they received - who heard that they could earn / purchase the kingdom. I have no doubt that there is a very abnormal level of arrogance and blindness to be found in the org - a direct result of recruiting "from house to house".

    The kingdom is not about buying and selling.

    " Let heavier work be laid upon the men that they may labor at it and pay no regard to lying words"...."Thus says Pharaoh, `I will not give you straw. Go yourselves, get your straw wherever you can find it.."

    Bang

    Edited by - Bang on 24 June 2002 7:1:17

  • Francois
    Francois

    Once again, we see the problem with the WTBTS attempting to apply yesterday's literalism to today's reality.

    The message I get from the scripture you quote, the mental image I get from reading about how the preaching work was done by the apostles is this: the apostle would walk into town and speak publically, being led to the home of a person favorably disposed to his message by the spirit.

    The apostle was to make that his home base as long as he was in town. He wasn't to look around for better lodgings, which offered better table fare, or any other thing.

    While in town, the apostle was to go about doing good. This would give him the opportunity to speak to the recipient of his good work about the message of the kingdom.

    After days of doing this good work, and this teaching about the kingdom, the apostle could then draw a crowd for the "public talk" (sorry).

    Now, if the apostle was following The Master's admonition about setting their light out where men could see it, there would be a nice crowd indeed. You've all known people who were like that. Their goodness and agape was so apparent that people gather 'round.

    After the apostle had done his good works, and his announcing of the kingdom, and perhaps establishing a small congregation, he went on to the next town to repeat the above recipe.

    There were no scriptures to study, save the Hebrew scriptures which did not contemplate the new faith at all. All they had was what the apostle or disciple had said, and to put it into practice.

    Sometime the apostle would hear of trouble in one of the fledgling congregations and he would write to them, encouraging them to good toward each other, toward the goal of revealing the kingdom to still others, etc. And we only have a few of these letters. I'm sure there were many more. These guys never knew their letters were to be collected and put together in book form and regarded as some holy writ. If we had many more of these letters, there would be no possibility of comporting them all. There would be so many conflicting statements and directions we'd never unravel them.

    But that's the way I see it happening. I DON'T see it happening like it's done by the Dubs today: waking people up on Saturday or Sunday to harrangue them into purchasing sub-standard and cheap literature written for a person in the third grade which predicts the householders utter demise; they and their entire family if they don't become Dubs. It's a bad, bad business.

    I certainly agree with Bang. And the above is how I imagine it really happened.

    Francois

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Francois,

    : the apostle would walk into town and speak publically, being led to the home of a person favorably disposed to his message by the spirit.

    Yes. Furthermore the scriptures talk about taking the message publicly AND from house to house. This is in contrast to the Watchtower's argument that going from house to house IS their "public" ministry. That can't be true however, because the scriptures draw a clear contrast that shows going house to house is NOT public. That could only mean teaching in the homes of friends, then.

    Watchtower is incapable of getting even the basics right in their most obvious distinction from other Christian faiths: they bang on everyone's door as the major requirement for their salvation.

    Farkel

  • freeman
    freeman

    Even the most BASIC study of scripture and Middle Eastern culture confirm that the Apostles did not start knocking on strangers doors uninvited. Such behavior would have been considered extremely rude to say the least and would have provoked a great amount of anger from the homeowner.

    Unfortunately the NWT of the Bible has been altered in certain key passages for the sole reason of bolstering some of the Watch Towers doctrines and this is done at the expense of its original meaning. As Farkel has so correctly stated; going house to house is NOT part of the public ministry. Indeed, when the Apostles spoke to people in their homes, they were speaking to BELIEVERS, and as Middle Eastern culture so strongly dictates, they were INVITED, they didnt just show up at the door.

    As I have stated before, even a freshmen seminary student or anyone taking just some VERY BASIC college courses on the Bible and Middle Eastern culture will have no trouble whatsoever dispatching many of the Watch Towers most fundamental doctrines.

    Freeman

  • TheStar
    TheStar

    Bang, Francois, Farkel, freeman,

    This is great information. I have been looking for such information. Can you guys tell me where I can get more info. so that I can get this clear in my head? I need scriptures, especially ones I can show my husband from NWT.

    Right now the 2 things I need to show him are :

    1. The JWs do not go "house to house" as described in the bible.

    2. Early Christians were not any kind of "organization" as the WT claims.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have to be convincing with their own bible.

  • RR
    RR

    My thought is this, if "ignorance is bliss" and those who NEVER heard of Jehovah will be in the kingsdom to learn about him, then the JW's are messengers of doom and not salvation. If they really love their fellowsman, leave them in their ignorance and let them receive the blessing in the Kingdom.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    The Star,

    : This is great information. I have been looking for such information. Can you guys tell me where I can get more info. so that I can get this clear in my head? I need scriptures, especially ones I can show my husband from NWT.

    Order a copy of Ray Franz's "In Search of Christian Freedom." He devotes an entire chapter to this subject, including discussing the meaning of the Greek on the subject. That book is a wealth of scriptural information on many JW doctrines and shows just how out-in-left field they are with Bible exegesis. You can get his book from Commentary Press. It's well worth having in your collection.

    Farkel

  • TheStar
    TheStar

    Thank you Farkel!

  • detective
    detective

    The Star,
    I received a pamphlet called something like "Does God work through an organization?" from 1-800-why-1914. I don't have it handy so don't quote me on the title! You may want to give that helpline a call as they sent me a package that was quite helpful.

    1-800-why-1914

    I wonder, does anyone affiliated with that phone line post here?

  • TheStar
    TheStar

    Thanks detective! What kind of package am I supposed to ask for?

    I've seen that phone number before but have never called it. Who sponsors it? Anyone know?

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