Who is the Angel of the Lord?

by MrBusyShortz 20 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • MrBusyShortz
    MrBusyShortz

    The Jehovah's Witnesses claim that Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel. They, The Jehovah's Witnesses, use 1 Thessalonians 4:16, among many others, as a proof text for their claim. This is one of the verses that they use as follows...

    1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    To get a good handle on this situation and the claim of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is to go back to the Old Testament and see if we can find scripture to aid us in understanding who Jesus Christ really is.

    However, I believe that it is imperative to get a snapshot in time, from the New Testament, to see why this question is asked. The Scriptures state in

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    So, We find that in the beginning was the Word. This refers to the Old Testament. I will go one step further. The Scriptures state in

    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    So, Now, we know that in the beginning was the Word (Old Testament) and the Word became flesh (New Testament), according to scripture. This is a very important point here to understand who Jesus Christ really is.

    Now, Let us begin with and take a close look at Genesis 48:15-16 as follows

    Genesis 48:15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
    Genesis 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

    I chose this passage of scripture to start with because if you do not read this verse correctly, you will completely miss out on a great Truth of the Bible, God's Holy Word! In my opinion of course. These two verses of the Old Testament touches upon a very important facet of scripture, as well.

    Look at that passage of scripture really close. What do you see? In verse 15, we see God mentioned and then we see, in verse 16, "The Angel which redeemed me from all evil,".

    There are several questions that comes to my mind which are 1) Who is this Angel which redeemed me from all evil? 2) Is the Angel which redeemed me from all evil a created angel? 3) What does Angel mean in this passage of scripture, if this angel is not a created angel?

    Well, Upon further study of the Bible, we find several scriptures that help us understand this passage in Genesis 48. I will list these verses for you now as follows...

    Genesis 16:7-13, Genesis 22:11, 15-18, Genesis 28:13, Genesis 31:11-13, Genesis 32:24-31, Genesis 48:15-16, Exodus 3:2-6, 7-10, 11-14, Exodus 13:21, Exodus 14:19-20, Numbers 22:35-38, Judges 2:1-5, Judges 6:11-21, Judges 13, 1 Kings 19, 1 Chronicles 21:18, 2 Samuel 24, 2 Kings 19:35, Zechariah 1:12, and finally Psalm 40:7.

    A very important aspect of Scripture is that the Bible proves itself. If we do not understand something about a passage of scripture, We can rely on the Bible to help us out in understanding what a particular verse is saying. Now, I will use scripture to prove each question from the Old Testament and show you something that is very much Bible Truth, in my humble opinion.

    For Question #1) Who is this Angel which redeemed me from all evil? Upon further study of Genesis, we find that answer to this question in Genesis 22:11. When we look at Genesis 22:11, we find that the Angel which redeemed me from all evil mentioned in Genesis 48:16 is the Angel of the Lord. This is a very important person in the Old Testament that appears several times in scripture.

    Matter of fact, The Angel of the Lord is only found in the Old Testament. After the Old Testament was written, The Angel of the Lord is not ever mentioned again in scripture. Bearing in mind, any mention of angel in the New Testament is not the same as the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament.

    Now, At this point, another question should come to mind. Who is this Angel of the Lord? There are several passages of scripture in the Old Testament that are available to examine. But, What I will do is post one or two and give you the rest to read for yourself.

    But first, Allow me to say this. The Angel of the Lord is more literally translated by some as the Angel of Jehovah. Because the word Lord and Jehovah are interchangeable. Another way of saying this is the Angel of God.

    For Question #3) What does Angel mean in this passage of scripture, if this angel is not a created angel? The Hebrew word Mal'ak means messenger or one who is dispatched as deputy. Keeping in mind that a created angel can act as a messenger of God, but a created angel will never act as a Deputy of God. Why? Created Angels can't be God!

    We know that Jehovah God, himself, speaks and acts as God in scripture. No problem here on that point. The most unique point about this Angel of the Lord is that He also speaks and acts as God, as well, though He is the messenger of Jehovah or messenger of God.

    The conduct of the Angel of the Lord follows precisely the Jewish Law of Agency. Which clearly indicates distinction between Jehovah and the Angel of the Lord. In other words, They are not the same person. So, Who is this Angel of the Lord? As stated above, He acts and speaks as God. Do we have any proof of this claim?

    When we look at the exchange between hagar and the Angel of the Lord, in Genesis 16:7-13, We find something very important. Hagar refers to the Angel of the Lord as El Roi. El means God and Roi means the seeing one. Which means that hagar called the Angel of the Lord, Thou, God who seest me! Another common way of saying this is Jehovah, The God who sees! And, This exchange took place in a very unique way. In the KJV she states as follows...

    Genesis 16:13 And she called the name of the Lord that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?

    In other words, Hagar did not speak to a spirit being, she spoke to the Angel of the Lord who appeared to her as a human being because hagar saw him and spoke to him. This is an extremly very important point about the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament.

    We clearly see here in scripture that the Angel of the Lord shows himself as a human being to Hagar. The Angel of the Lord became flesh and spoke to Hagar. And she identifies this Angel of the Lord in human form as God! Pretty Awesome!

    The second example I will use is the scripture found in Exodus 3:2-6. Here we find Moses tending a flock of sheep and He sees a burning bush that is not being consumed by the fire. This is taking place near Horeb, the Mountain of God.

    In the KJV, We see as follows...

    Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
    Exodus 3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
    Exodus 3:4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
    Exodus 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
    Exodus 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

    As we can see, Verse 2 states that the Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses in a flame. Ok, Sounds fine so far, but, when we look at verse 4 we see that the Angel of the Lord is God.

    Why? Because verse 4 states that ==God== called unto him, Moses, and said Moses, Moses. When we look back at verse 2, again, we see the Angel of the Lord is appearing to Moses. Therefore, The Angel of the Lord is God.

    So, We have shown that the Angel of the Lord is most definitely God. Now, to answer my second question at the beginning of this post.

    Is the Angel which redeemed me from all evil a created angel? Most definitely NOT! I believe that I have shown that the Angel which redeemed me from all evil is no created angel but God himself fulfilling the duties given to Him as a messenger.

    Because if someone was to say yes, Then they have to come to the inescapable conclusion that Jehovah is a created angel. And, We know that this is not what the Bible teaches about Jehovah.

    MrBusy

  • gsx1138
    gsx1138

    Who is the Angel of the Lord?

    Everyone knows that it is Horus.

    gsx1138

  • MrBusyShortz
    MrBusyShortz
    gsx1138-->Who is the Angel of the Lord?

    Everyone knows that it is Horus.

    LOL! That is a good one!

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : Who is the Angel of the Lord?

    A guy named "Stanley." He lives in a tenement in downtown Brooklyn, is on welfare, and smokes cigarettes.

    I dare you to prove me wrong!

    Farkel

  • MrBusyShortz
    MrBusyShortz

    Farkel-->Who is the Angel of the Lord?

    A guy named "Stanley." He lives in a tenement in downtown Brooklyn, is on welfare, and smokes cigarettes.

    I dare you to prove me wrong!

    Farkel>>

    I am not going to touch that one ! LOL You two, Farkel and gsx, are too funny! Thanks for your responses though.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    MrBusyShortz,

    As I recall, Charles Russell used to teach that "Michael the Archangel" was Satan. I could be wrong, as I don't have my references handy. But whether that is the case or not, there are plenty of flip-flops in WatchtowerWorld. You might successfully prove your case, but next week the Watchtower could trump you and say that "Michael the Archangel" is a CLASS representing the Governing Body/Anointed Ones/Glorious Ones/Pioneers/Circuit Overseers/District Overseers or whatever they pull out of their butts next!

    WatchtowerWorld is a moving target, you know. Today's "light" and "understanding" is tomorrow's "apostacy."

    Besides that, you won't find a dub to debate your arguments anyway. They're just too damn lazy to do any real work.

    Farkel

    Edited by - Farkel on 28 June 2002 19:35:15

  • Bleep
    Bleep

    Our Lord is Jesus Christ.
    When a Christian prays he ends with and Jesus Christ we pray, Amen. Since we pray threw Jesus since he was the one who saved us from death. Now you can pray to Jehovah.

    There you go and also pray for me so I will pass college,thanks!!!

  • MrBusyShortz
    MrBusyShortz

    Farkel-->MrBusyShortz,>>

    Hi Farkel!

    Farkel-->As I recall, Charles Russell used to teach that "Michael the Archangel" was Satan. I could be wrong, as I don't have my references handy. But whether that is the case or not, there are plenty of flip-flops in WatchtowerWorld.>>

    Yes Sir, I do believe that you are correct here about the teaching of Michael the Archangel being satan as taught by Mr. Charles Russel.

    Farkel-->You might successfully prove your case, but next week the Watchtower could trump you and say that "Michael the Archangel" is a CLASS representing the Governing Body/Anointed Ones/Glorious Ones/Pioneers/Circuit Overseers/District Overseers or whatever they pull out of their butts next!>>

    You have a point there! And, on top of that, They do claim to be the "Sole channel of communication of God on the Earth today"! This statement of theirs clearly shows that they are the only ones who can communicate with God. I don't think so.

    Farkel-->WatchtowerWorld is a moving target, you know. Today's "light" and "understanding" is tomorrow's "apostacy.">>

    That is very interesting that you would bring this up. You see, Farkel, The Bible teaches that when God, for example, spoke truth, and later spoke additional truth, The first Truth spoken was not done away with but the later spoken Truth enhanced the first spoken Truth! In other words, The First Truth spoken did not ever change or diminish with the last spoken Truth tacked on. This is definitely not the case with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society!

    Farkel-->Besides that, you won't find a dub to debate your arguments anyway. They're just too damn lazy to do any real work.>>

    In regards to your comments here, Farkel, I would not say lazy. However, I do understand what you are saying. Nonetheless, though, I feel that the Jehovah's Witnesses find themselves in a "catch 22" sort of speak because they are specifically told not to read any so called "apostate material". What I have written would be considered apostate material.

    On the other hand, I feel that there are some Jehovah's Witnesses that are doubting the Watchtower Society due to recent current events in the news. I firmly believe that the Jehovah's Witnesses are good people, just misguided in Biblical Truth.

    Thanks for your response. God Bless!

  • MrBusyShortz
    MrBusyShortz

    Bleep-->Our Lord is Jesus Christ.
    When a Christian prays he ends with and Jesus Christ we pray, Amen. Since we pray threw Jesus since he was the one who saved us from death. Now you can pray to Jehovah.

    There you go and also pray for me so I will pass college,thanks!!!>>

    Yes, Jesus Christ is Lord according to Romans 10:9, Bleep. College is not that bad. As I recall, I nearly "killed" myself by overloading in courses the first time around. I was a double music major and burned out because of the overloading of courses.

    However, When you take your time, You will see that College life is well worth the effort in getting your additional education after high school. The second time I went, I wound up with two college degrees in Engineering. So, I encourage you to go for that sheep skin. You will be glad that you did. And remember this, No one, absolutely NO ONE can ever take your education away from you.

    God bless!

    MrBusy!

  • gsx1138
    gsx1138

    Michael the Archangel is Satan? Wasn't that the theme of Prophecy 2 with Christopher Walken? Perhaps Russell was ahead of his time. Using WTS logic I will prove who Jesus is. Jesus is now thought to be the King in Heaven. Elvis Presley was known as the King. Thus, when Elvis died Jesus/Elvis took his rightful place as King in heaven. To further miracles of faith Elvis/Jesus has revealed himself to white trash all over this great country hence all of the Elvis sightings. As for who is the angel of the Lord/Elvis, that would be Buddy Holly. Please send donations to my home address. I could tell you more but since Miss Cleo got shut down my info has been sparce.

    gsx1138

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