Statue of Marsyas died on a stake?

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  • enigma1863
    enigma1863

    It would be so much easier to nail each hand separately then to try to force both hands together. I cant imagine the victim being very cooperative. Then again they could have tied his hands together then nailed them. the story just doesn't add up.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion:

    Crucifixion was often performed to terrorize and dissuade its witnesses from perpetrating particularly heinous crimes. Victims were left on display after death as warnings to others who might attempt dissent. Crucifixion was usually intended to provide a death that was particularly slow, painful (hence the term excruciating, literally "out of crucifying"), gruesome, humiliating, and public, using whatever means were most expedient for that goal. Crucifixion methods varied considerably with location and time period.

    The Greek and Latin words corresponding to "crucifixion" applied to many different forms of painful execution, from impaling on a stake to affixing to a tree, to an upright pole (a crux simplex) or to a combination of an upright (in Latin, stipes) and a crossbeam (in Latin, patibulum).[11]

    In some cases, the condemned was forced to carry the crossbeam to the place of execution. A whole cross would weigh well over 135 kilos (300 lb), but the crossbeam would not be quite as burdensome, weighing around 45 kilos (100 lb).[12] The Roman historian Tacitus records that the city of Rome had a specific place for carrying out executions, situated outside the Esquiline Gate,[13] and had a specific area reserved for the execution of slaves by crucifixion.[14] Upright posts would presumably be fixed permanently in that place, and the crossbeam, with the condemned person perhaps already nailed to it, would then be attached to the post.

    The person executed may have been attached to the cross by rope, though nails are mentioned in a passage by the Judean historian Josephus, where he states that at the Siege of Jerusalem (70), "the soldiers out of rage and hatred, nailed those they caught, one after one way, and another after another, to the crosses, by way of jest."[15] Objects used in the crucifixion of criminals, such as nails, were sought as amulets with perceived medicinal qualities.[16]

    While a crucifixion was an execution, it was also a humiliation, by making the condemned as vulnerable as possible. Although artists have traditionally depicted the figure on a cross with a loin cloth or a covering of the genitals, the person being crucified was usually stripped naked. Writings by Seneca the Younger state some victims suffered a stick forced upwards through their groin.[17][18] Despite its frequent use by the Romans, the horrors of crucifixion did not escape mention by some of their eminent orators. Cicero for example, described crucifixion as "a most cruel and disgusting punishment",[19] and suggested that "the very mention of the cross should be far removed not only from a Roman citizen's body, but from his mind, his eyes, his ears."[20]

    Frequently, the legs of the person executed were broken or shattered with an iron club, an act called crurifragium, which was also frequently applied without crucifixion to slaves.[21] This act hastened the death of the person but was also meant to deter those who observed the crucifixion from committing offenses.[21]

  • Half banana
    Half banana

    The essence of JW condemnation for a cross comes from their distaste for all things pagan. They reveal their own early Christ-cult notion of separating themselves from things unholy, worldly or contaminated by religious practice they consider false. Catholic Christianity chose the cross as its symbol, a stylised torture instrument, and the WT as part of affirming its own identity chose to disassociate itself from this emblem. As a fundamental selling point, their rhetoric is always to make themselves appear pure and separate from the world, an impulse borrowed from much of the OT writings, especially in connection with the setting up of the henotheistic (one god among many) identity of worship of the pagan Yahweh.

    Their attempts are in vain! What the JW org can never achieve is freedom from pagan beliefs. Christianity is sourced almost entirely from pagan folk myth, just condemning the cross for being pagan is to not see the wood for the trees. They are fixated on making the distinction between a cross and stake but miss the fact that “crucifixion” at the saviour hero’s death was a key element of the pagan story, the death at a specific time.

    If you are still interested in my theme; around two centuries before the beginning of the calendar it was observed that the equinox occurred at the time when the path of the sun crossed the line of the equator as seen on a primitive armillary sphere. The overlapping lines formed a “cross” as in a saltire or St Andrew’s cross (like an X but on its side). At the spring equinox, (day of equal daylight and night) the northern hemisphere sees a marked increase in the intensity of light as the sun favours the north and correspondingly moves away from the southern hemisphere. Events had always been explained by the heavenly movements and this early technical discovery was incorporated into the prevailing worship of the sun god Mithras. From then on he was often depicted standing on a plinth with the equinoctial cross engraved on its sides. This was to reinforce his lofty role as a Sun God... and when was he crucified? As were all the christs, they were Sun-Gods: born annually at the mid-winter solstice and sacrificially died annually at the spring equinox in other words “at the cross” of the spring equinox. The Catholic Church had great interest in persuading its many Mithras worshippers to embrace its fusion “catholic” faith. In the fourth century it finally absorbed and fused together, or syncretised important pagan beliefs establishing Roman Catholic orthodoxy, thereby gaining mass political allegiance from the believers. This called for incorporating much of the Mithraic dogma... including its need for the Lamb of God to die on a cross at Easter.

    NT religion uses double entendre to speak its catholic message.

  • Bones
    Bones
    The Original King James Scholars shows that Jesus died on a Tree or Stake, so the Mythical Statue of Marsyas can be use as proof that the Romans used a upright stake or Tree for putting Jesus to death.
    "“The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.” Acts 5:30
  • shepherdless
    shepherdless

    Someone years ago called Leolaia posted an excellent and thoroughly researched article on the issue of what wooden implement was used to kill Jesus, titled "The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake". Here is a link:

    https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/92381/facts-on-crucifixion-stauros-torture-stake

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    There a scripture in john I believe where it's mentioned that the word Nails is used when describing Jesus hands being nails to a tree or stake or cross. One could easily argue that this plural use of the word means that Jesus hands were nails separately.

    I also believe that it's been proven that if ones hands are placed above the head and then nailed to a stake the body would fall off. Not sure if this is true but it seams to make sense.

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