daughter (9) crying asking ?'s heaven vs. paradise

by Cappuccino OC 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • Cappuccino OC
    Cappuccino OC

    Hi everyone,

    It's me again, Cappuccino OC. I need your guys help once more.

    I have a very intelligent 9 year old daughter who has been doing alot of critical thinking lately. Crying last night, she told me that she never wanted to die. She added that she new that heaven didn't exist. She also said, "Why do I want to live in a Paradise here on earth if I already live on earth? What about if this "paradise" isn't for reals? I don't think it is." (My JW aunt preached to her when she came to visit us last March)

    Her tears broke my heart. What do I tell her? I told her that her questions are very important questions and I'd look for answers.

    I've never believed in heaven and now I don't believe in a paradise. What hope do I offer or share with my daughter? Has anybody had a similar experience with their children? How did you guys handle it? How did they react?

    Does anyone recommend any specific bible besides the JW NWT? I want her to believe in GOD and have faith in God but how do I do this? Do we still call him Jehovah or do we pray to Jesus?

    What do you believe after being a JW & more important how do help our little ones?

    Cappuccino OC

    edited for typos

    Edited by - Cappuccino OC on 17 July 2002 11:25:47

  • The_Bad_Seed
    The_Bad_Seed

    Why don't you just teach her that everybody believes in something different, and that's ok. She'll come to her own conclusions in her own time, rather than having one force their beliefs on her at such a young and impressionable age.

  • Latte
    Latte

    Cappuccino OC

    I have a 9yr old daughter also. At the time where I was still in the borg. My daughter would look up at me with those big brown eyes and ask "Mummy when will the paradise come?" I really couldnt tell her SOOOON! Now could I ? I truly felt that I would have been lying too her, as deep down I had feelings that I had been lied to also (by the JWs) I would say 'I really dont know sweetheart' I would then try to get her mind on more positive things like, some fun thing we'd done together, what cake we might bake next, etc....lol.

    I like it when she dwells on the lighter subjects of this life. Maybe in a few more years she will be ready for deeper explanations.... we'll see.

    My favourite line for heavy questions I have to say, is I dont know the answer to that no-one knows

    There are some nice books out there also. I always try to read through before giving them to my daughter, as some look very, very nice but are not always what they seem.

    I hope that I may of helped in some small way. [:) ]

    Latte

    Edited by - Latte on 17 July 2002 12:37:25

  • FRUSR8TD
    FRUSR8TD

    Capp,

    Hey, This is my advice...if you have left the JW's you must not trust them anymore...why should you trust anything they taught you?...Go to the Christian book store....READ....you did a lot of that as a JW...I know you can still do it....your daughter is not the only one looking for answers here my friend. Otherwise you would be able to provide her with some.

    Edited to add:

    Now that you are able to think for yourself you find many diffrent veiws there and you will be able to decide what makes sence to you...not have to choke down what is force fed to you.

    Edited by - FRUSR8TD on 17 July 2002 12:50:9

  • Xander
    Xander
    Go to the Christian book store

    Well, not to be anal, but not JUST a 'christian book store' - many religions offer some interesing hopes for the afterlife.

    It isn't ALL just 'heaven, hell, or a paradise earth'.

    Most Eastern religions teach various forms of reincarnation, there is some good reading in that area that paints a bright picture.

    There are a number of teachings out there - do some reading, and come to your own conclusion.

  • FRUSR8TD
    FRUSR8TD

    heh...looks like Xander and I both saw the hole in my post at about the same time...

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    Hello Cap, I have 3 kids, ages 15, 9, and 7. The oldest 2 are so glad to be out of the JW's they don't care alot about deep spiritual things as much as my youngest. Sure they do ask questions . but they seem to be taking it more in stride than the youngest.

    My 7 yr old son, has always been a little old man in a kids body, I guess because he has been thru so much since before he was born. He was a 2 month too early 2lb premmie , we didnt know if he would live, and the first 3 yrs he was at the hospital all the time. He later developed behavoir problems that they said were OCD and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. But he is doing alot better the older he gets.

    Just said that to give you a little history of why this child is so interested in spiritual things, Iguess because he has faced death and wants to know where he would go if he died. He was always taught a paradies earth and resurrection up until a year ago.

    Now he still talks about his fear of armeggedon, which is totally unhealthy and mind blowing for a 7 yr old to go into great detail of how Jehovah will do it all. He has nightmares all the time. He is in constant fear of dying, of me dying, he has very vidid dreams of me dying quiet often. I have to reasure him that it was just a dream. But he is too smart to just let that go. He knows things happen , he watches the news, maybe all the 9/11 tragedy is also affecting him.

    He begs me to tell him the truth about where we go when we die, like I know something and am just not telling him. I honestly don't know what to tell him sometimes, because I dont know those answers.

    But as we left the borg, we just took it very slowly with the kids, the oldest the 15 yr old son, knew if was all bullcrap since a couple of years before that. We didnt have a clue about how he really felt , he seemed to going right along and doing well with being a JW. Now he is just happy and open minded about things. My daughter is just glad to not sit at meetings anymore. She can only remember the horror of long assemblies and conventions. LOL I agree

    When my 7 yr old ask me about armeggedon, paradise, heaven etc. I just telll him that Jesus promised that he would take care of us. Then we talk about how good Jesus was to people and how much he loved his friends and how much he still loves us. I tell him honestly I don't know if we will live on the earth forever , or go to heaven. But I switch it quick to how happy we will be which ever place we go. I tell him not to worry he will be with all his loved ones when the time comes. He says he will just kill himself if I die, and lay in my coffin with me until I wake up. I hope that is not too strong of a statement and I hope it doesnt put anyone off, but this is the mind of my 7 yr old.

    I told him not to worry, that I would be fine, I would be with Jesus in heaven maybe even looking down on him and laughing at all the crazy things he is doing, and that I would always be in his heart. It seems to help a bit, but he is not quiet sure if he beleives this, as I am not quiet sure I do either.

    His fear of armeggedon, I handle the same way, Jesus will protect those who he loves, don't worry about it we will all be safe. He worries about his little friend who is not a witness being destoried, I told him God will do the right thing. I myself do not beleive in armeggedon for sure, and if it did happen it will not be the way jw think it will.

    I just have to answers his questions as they come and not add too much to it. I try to focus on turning around to make it comforting to him, because he suffers great anxiety about everything anyway. In time I am sure he will come to learn things on his own, and decide for himself as he gets older. But while he is little I try to help him along by wiping away all the terror we learned as JW, which is not easy. He does seem to be doing better lately on this , I just try and remember what a shock and lifestyle change it was for me to leave the borg, and he is just 7 , but old enough to be fully indoctrinated in the JW teachings. Now we talk alot about what if it happens this way or that way and we even laugh. I sure understand how you feel Cap , it is hard to not know what to tell your kids, but in the long run being as honest as you can , being appropriate in what you say because of each childs age and indiviuality, that will be something they can learn from. That it is ok not to have all the answers and that way they can grow up with freedom to choose.

  • JenGill97
    JenGill97

    I like the post about letting her find her own answers and telling her that everyone has their own views and it doesn't hurt to do some research and find her own "truth".

    Personally, I believe there is no heaven or paradise, just another realm to live another life. When we die, we go to this other realm where we are still able to watch over our loved ones but let them live their lives and we would continue to live a new and different life.

    She may find it interesting to do her own research, and to make it even better, if you two decided to do this together, not only would it be a bonding experience between the two of you, but it might give you some hope for yourself.

    Jen :)

  • YoursChelbie
    YoursChelbie

    When a blanket of darkness covers the world,

    I read this comforting scripture to my little girl.

    It always puts a smile on her face.

    I read it in a whisper, then tuck her in bed,

    and she drifts into peaceful sleep... [Mt. 5:4-8]

    Inspite of uncertainties in the world, just let her know of your unconditional love and support. Ask grandparents to help too, they can be great. Just take life one day at a time and cherish every day.

    YoursChelbie

    Edited by - YoursChelbie on 17 July 2002 17:39:49

  • termite 35
    termite 35

    Cappuccino;

    I posted a couple of threads along these lines a while ago; and my son is a lot happier now,mainly due to the great advice I was given.

    It's so upsetting when you've always had answers,not to have answers for them anymore, is'nt it?

    But my son, who's 8; is getting there.

    He still wants to say his prayers at night; so we do- but I don't say Jehovah anymore; I just could'nt.

    We now focus on anti-jw teachings in our prayers(!)such as 'how can we make the world a better place to be?

    What charity shall we collect for?(he chose the RNLI this month)

    How can I show love to someone?

    Can I help people who need it?

    The importance of recycling(i'm clutching at straws this week!)

    But you get the jist of it; i'm trying to get his thoughts off Armaggedon and on to reality- and including a God, as he wants him there at the moment.

    And while i'm more than happy to let my two older (near teen and teen)girls to find their own way;(yoga and sleeping at the moment!) he is too young to search and prefers to be 'led' a little, for now.

    Hopefully, before realises it, the 'christian' things we talk about will be so far removed from the jw hopes, if he encounters them in later life, he won't recognise it as christianity-and he won't be tempted back.

    I keep reminding myself that it's only been 9 months since we left, so he did'nt really take long to settle.

    I hope your little girl finds something to override the feelings she has.

    It's a bit like a break-up is'nt it?They need to grieve really; i'm sure my son was.

    I told him that the JW's got a lot wrong-but not all(sermon on the mount etc)and were pretty confused, but did'nt realise it-we saw they were 'wrong', so we left.And now we spend a lot of time together,' trying to 'find' what to do to be a good person'(his words!)

    Keep smiling!.

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