This is why the Demons can't be human.

by Bleep 39 Replies latest watchtower bible

• 

  gravedancer

  There is no evidence of demons...

  c'mon wake up people this blindness is why you made great JW's
• 

  Bleep

  Since some people think I mostly cut and paste I might as well post some great info on spirits. Some are even called wicked spirits also known as demons.

  Who Believe in Wicked Spirits?

  DO YOU believe that unseen spirits can influence your life? Many would answer with an emphatic no. While acknowledging the existence of God, they scoff at the notion of superhuman workers of evil.

  Widespread disbelief in spirits in the Western world is partly due to the influence of Christendom, which for centuries taught that the earth was the center of the universe, located between heaven and an underground hell. According to this teaching, angels enjoyed the bliss of heaven while demons administered the affairs of hell.

  As discoveries in science caused people to reject wrong ideas about the structure of the universe, belief in spirit creatures became unfashionable. The New Encyclopaedia Britannica states: "In the aftermath of the 16th-century Copernican revolution (based on the theories of the Polish astronomer Copernicus), in which . . . the Earth was no longer seen as the centre of the cosmos but, instead, merely as a planet of a solar system that is a very small part of a galaxy in an apparently infinite universe-the concepts of angels and demons no longer seemed appropriate."

  While many do not believe in wicked spirits, there are millions who do. Fallen angels feature in many religions, both past and present. Apart from their role as corrupters of spirituality, these bad angels are seen as agents of disasters, such as war, famine, and earthquakes, as well as promoters of sickness, mental disorders, and death.

  Satan the Devil, the principal evil spirit in Christianity and Judaism, is called Iblis by Muslims. In the ancient Persian religion of Zoroastrianism, he appears as Angra Mainyu. In the Gnostic religion, which flourished in the second and third centuries C.E., he was seen in the Demiurge, the term given to a jealous and inferior god to whom the bulk of humankind gave worship in ignorance.

  Lesser spirits of evil feature prominently in Eastern religions. Hindus hold that the asuras (demons) oppose the devas (gods). Especially feared among the asuras are the rakshasas, hideous beings who haunt cemeteries.

  Buddhists conceive of demons as personalized forces that prevent man from obtaining Nirvana, the extinction of desire. A chief tempter among them is Mara, with his three daughters Rati (Desire), Raga (Pleasure), and Tanha (Restlessness).

  Chinese worshipers use bonfires, torches, and firecrackers to protect against the kuei, or nature demons. Japanese religions also hold that there are many demons, including the fearsome tengu, spirits that possess people until exorcised by a priest.

  Among nonliterate religions of Asia, Africa, Oceania, and the Americas, spirit creatures are believed to be helpful or harmful according to circumstances and their prevailing mood. People venerate these spirits to ward off calamity and to receive favors.

  Add to all of this the widespread interest in magic and spiritism, and it is clear that belief in wicked spirits has a long and pervasive history. But is it reasonable to believe that such creatures exist? The Bible says that they do. However, if they do exist, why does God allow them to influence man to his injury?
• 

  Rev BII

  Good points from SaintSatan.

  Nephilim simply means bully. They were a violent gang beating up and killing people. If you take a look at Genesis 6 you will not find a hint of any fallen angels. This is accepted by most today and the WT simply adhere to an anacronism, an old Jewish tradition from the "Book of Enoch". Men are called sons of God in may Bible verses (Deut. 14:1 (R.S.V.); Hos. 1:10; Lk. 3:38; Jn 1:12; 1 Jn. 3:1).

  God Bless
• 

  Bleep

  NEPHILIM

  (Neph'ilim) [Fellers; Those Who Cause [Others] to Fall Down].

  This is a transliteration of the Hebrew word nephilim', plural in its three occurrences in the Bible. (Ge 6:4; Nu 13:33 [twice]) It evidently stems from the causative form of the Hebrew verb naphal' (fall) as found, for example, in 2 Kings 3:19; 19:7.

  The Bible account describing Jehovah's displeasure with men in the days of Noah before the Flood relates that "the sons of the true God" took for themselves wives from among the attractive daughters of men. It then mentions the presence of "Nephilim," saying: "The Nephilim proved to be in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones [Heb., haggibborim'] who were of old, the men of fame."-Ge 6:1-4.

  Identity. Bible commentators, considering verse 4, have offered several suggestions as to the identity of these Nephilim. Some have thought that the derivation of the name indicates that the Nephilim had fallen from heaven, that is, that they were 'fallen angels' who mated with women to produce "mighty ones . . . the men of fame." Other scholars, focusing their attention particularly on the statement "and also after that" (
• 

  Bleep

  Opps heres the rest of my research.
• 

  Rev BII

  My Strongs gives the possible renderings:
  fellar
  bully
  tyrant

  Surely they were fellars, because they led people away from God being bad company. But, the chapter aswell as the rest of the Old Testament is utterly silent about this being fallen angels (how were "fallen angels" to have children with women anyway) on the contrary the chapter testifies to the fact that these villains were utterly human.

  Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

  God Bless
• 

  larc

  Bleep, I asked you a direct question, so this is my second request. Prove that the last 100 years is the worst in human history. The fact is, that it was the best in human history. The worst was the 14th century, when death from war, pestilence, and famine was at an all time high.
• 

  jgnat

  Indeed, larc, AND BLEEP, the improvements in medical care such as vaccinations and hygiene in the last 100 years, plus improved diet, is largely responsible for our population explosion. Instead of a mother expecting to lose half her children to disease, she can watch them all grow to adulthood - barring the unexpected. People are living longer, and are in better health in their old age.
• 

  Quotes

  Bleep opined:

  Now after the flood there were no more nephlems or giants.

  BUZZZZZZ!!! WRONG!!!! Please do the following research: open you bible to NUMBERS 13:33:

  *** Rbi8 Numbers 13:33 ***
  33 And there we saw the Neph'ilim, the sons of A'nak, who are from the Neph'ilim; so that we became in our own eyes like grasshoppers, and the same way we became in their eyes."

  According to "The New World Translation" the time covered for Genesis and Numbers is:

  Genesis: "In the beginning" to 1657 BCE (therefore the "flood" happened during this time period)

  Numbers: 1512 to 1473 BCE

  Therefore:

  (1) Numbers was written about events after the "flood"

  (2) The Nephilim were still alive and kicking

  Conclusion: The Nephilim survived the "flood".
• 

  Bleep

  Other scholars, focusing their attention particularly on the statement and also after that (Gen 6 verse 3 )have said the Nephilim were not the fallen angels or the mighty ones, since the Nephilim proved to be in the earth in those days before the sons of God had relations with women. These latter scholars hold the opinion that the Nephilim were simply wicked men like Cainrobbers, bullies, and tyrants who roamed the earth until they were destroyed by the Flood. Still another group, taking into consideration the context of Gen, conclude that the Nephilim were not themselves angels, but were the hybrid offspring resulting from materialized angels having intercourse with the daughters of men.
  Same as gibborim'. Certain Bible translations adjust the location of the phrase and also after that, placing it near the beginning of (Gen 6 verse 4), thus identifying the Nephilim with the mighty ones, the gibborim', mentioned in the latter part of the verse. For example: In those days, as well as afterward, there were giants [Heb., hannephilim'] on the earth, who were born to the sons of the gods whenever they had intercourse with the daughters of men; these were the heroes [Heb., haggibborim'] who were men of note in days of old.Ge 6:4, AT; see also Mo, NIV, and TEV.
  The Greek Septuagint also suggests that both the Nephilim and mighty ones are identical by using the same word gi'gantes (giants) to translate both expressions.
  Reviewing the account, we see that Ge 6 verses 1 to 3 tell of the sons of the true God taking wives and of Jehovahs statement that he was going to end his patience with men after 120 years. Ge 6 Verse 4 then speaks of the Nephilim proving to be in the earth in those days, evidently the days when Jehovah made the statement. Then it shows that this situation continued after that, when the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and describes in more detail the results of the union of the sons of the true God with women.
  Who were the sons of God that fathered the Nephilim?
  Who were the sons of the true God that were involved? Were they men who were worshipers of Jehovah (as distinguished from the general run of wicked mankind), as some claim? Evidently not. The Bible implies that their marriage to the daughters of men resulted in whipping up the badness in the earth. Noah and his three sons, along with their wives, were the only ones in Gods favor and were the only ones preserved through the Deluge.Ge 6:9; 8:15, 16; 1Pe 3:20.
  Hence, if these sons of the true God were merely men, the question arises, Why were their offspring men of fame more than those of the wicked, or of faithful Noah? Also, the question might be asked, Why mention their marriage to the daughters of men as something special? Marriage and childbearing had been taking place for more than 1,500 years.
  The sons of God mentioned at Genesis 6:2, therefore, must have been angels, spirit sons of God. This expression is applied to angels at Job 1:6; 38:7. This view is supported by Peter, who speaks of the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noahs days. (1Pe 3:19, 20) Also Jude writes of the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place. (Jude 6) Angels had the power to materialize in human form, and some angels did so to bring messages from God. (Ge 18:1, 2, 8, 20-22; 19:1-11; Jos 5:13-15) But heaven is the proper abode of spirit persons, and the angels there have positions of service under Jehovah. (Da 7:9, 10) To leave this abode to dwell on earth and to forsake their assigned service to have fleshly relations would be rebellion against Gods laws, and perversion.
  The Bible states that the disobedient angels are now spirits in prison, having been thrown into Tartarus and reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. This seems to indicate that they are greatly restricted, unable again to materialize as they did prior to the Flood.1Pe 3:19; 2Pe 2:4; Jude 6.
  Increased Wickedness. The mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame that were produced by these marriages, were not men of fame with God, for they did not survive the Flood, as did Noah and his family. They were Nephilim, bullies, tyrants, who no doubt helped to make conditions worse. Their angelic fathers, knowing the construction of the human body and being able to materialize, were not creating life, but lived in these human bodies and, cohabiting with women, brought forth children. Their children, mighty ones, were therefore unauthorized hybrids. Apparently the Nephilim did not, in turn, have children.
  In Mythology. The fame and dread of the Nephilim, it appears, gave rise to many mythologies of heathen people who, after the confusion of languages at Babel, were scattered throughout the earth. Though the historical forms of the Genesis account were greatly distorted and embellished, there was a remarkable resemblance in these ancient mythologies (those of the Greeks being only one example), in which gods and goddesses mated with humans to produce superhuman heroes and fearful demigods having god-man characteristics.See GREECE, GREEKS (Greek Religion).
  A Report Intended to Terrorize. The ten spies who brought back to the Israelites in the wilderness a false report on the land of Canaan declared: All the people whom we saw in the midst of it are men of extraordinary size. And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who are from the Nephilim; so that we became in our own eyes like grasshoppers, and the same way we became in their eyes. No doubt there were some large men in Canaan, as other scriptures show, but never except in this bad report, which was carefully couched in language designed to strike terror and cause panic among the Israelites, are they called Nephilim.Nu 13:31-33; 14:36, 37.