Watchtower praises disfellowshipping-Media (page 2)

Nanoprobe

So does the Freedom of Information Act include religions, could we find out how much they pay their experts such as Dr Starck?

Evidently Bill Bowen and the abused children he is helping have or are being df'd for telling the truth! This was such a shallow defence of disfellowshipping that it makes any thinking person want to toss his cookies. Would love to see some of these guys subject themselves to questioning from some of the brighter folks on this forum.

writerpen

I'm quite sure their experts are somehow related to the organization. Maybe a full witness (although Stark may not be), the spouse to a witness, etc. Just like the woman I remember seeing in another video stating something to the effect that molestation was not talked about in the 70s and 80s. The whole feeling was that because people were not educated about it, then all should be forgiven. She had to be a witness. I'd bet money on it. Through her comments, they made sure her degrees were hanging close to the camera.

I hate em all. It just irritates the hell out of me.

writerpen

The old fart in the video said that ones are disfellowhipped when they sin and "do not repent and change their ways." BULLSHIT! Repentance to them means that you are attending all their sorry assed meetings and kissing elders asses. When I was DF, I had never given them the opportunity to take me through a judicial committee. Honestly, I had sinned terribly, and I've admitted that it was embezzlement on another thread. But I was the one that came forward to the authorities about my actions, repaid all the money, and began the long haul of changing my life forever. The judge noted in my case that he was reducing my sentence to misdemeanor because I had come forward and changed my life. Now I devote my weekends to helping homeless people and animals at a local shelter. Since I turned my life around, I have sought many ways to help the less fortunate and am a different person. My actions show I have repented and turned my life around, but those asses are misleading when they tell the world that one is not disfellowshipped if they are repentant. Repentance to them means following their rules, and has nothing to do with turning one's life around.

PS - excuse the typos, as I'm very angry while typing this. Do we have spell check available on this thing?

Valis

Stark has written several books on early christianity, and seems to be a respected sociologist. I'm not sure why the JWs decided to use him, except to say "See? Even the guy who wrote about deviance in religion thinks we're right!".....but wait! He merely pointed out the fact that shunning is normal behavior for many cult like groups and is necessary for them to do so to enforce thier rules....I am also suprised they chose him as his contrarian (to the WTBS stance) views on the rise of Christianity don't lend credence to the concept that God was controlling the early congo and gathering people to christianity....but instead things like the plague were a big factor. Something to think about anyway.

Sincerely,

District Overbeer

Valis

Oh yeah and someone needs to tell Robert to keep his eyes open when speaking to the camera! You would think after years of talks, field service, and working in the media department would have payed off w/a few presentation skills....*LOL*

Sincerely,

District Overbeer

cabm52

Hello Everyone,

I have been lurking for some time. I one posted a line, it said test :) Have been to the chat forum here a couple times. Just a tad shy.

I have been wanting for some time to ask a question.

I was disfellowshipped in 1970 for marrying a Catholic. Back then it meant, my family totally ditched me, I was considered dead. No communication whatsoever.

After all these years I am being told by a couple JW's that they don't do that anymore? That they don't stop the communication between family members. Is this true?

Also, I wondered what exact sort of treatment does one get in the Kingdom hall if they have been disfellowshipped?

Thanks

Xander

They still do.

cabm52

They still do, what?

Back then, if I even dared to call them they hung up the phone. They passed me on the side walk and looked the other way. Is that still what goes on today?

thanks

writerpen

cabm52,

Welcome to the board. It all depends on the individual. When my brother was disassociated, my parents would not speak to him for any reason, not even if they both showed up at the grandparents home at the same time. Now they speak to him, will accept calls from he and I (I was DFd last August), and will even allow us over to their home - although not for a meal. It has been my experience that witnesses change their minds alot, so in view of the August 2002 KM article about Disfellowshipped family members, I'm expecting them to change their position again. One thing I don't do is put my hope in us ever having a normal relationship. And in view of the abuse they dished out to my brother and I, my therapist says that not having contact with them is the best thing right now. They do not know how to love, as most JW's do not.

Edited by - writerpen on 19 July 2002 16:28:57

Watchtower praises disfellowshipping-Media

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