ARE YOU FAIR MINDED???? Well we'll see... (page 5)

JT

HB says:

REFORM ON EDUCATION

BLOOD

VOTE

ETC... ARE AMONG A FEW ISSUES THAT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS.

WE AS AN ORGANIZATION ARE IN A SERIOUS NEED OF REFORM.

ONE THING IS SURE...ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE A WITNESS IN GOOD STANDING FOR ANYBODY TO LISTEN OR FOR CHANGES TO OCCUR.

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OK you don't want to be considered a TRoll- then Prove it- and the best way is by addressing issues raised- case in point-

You have come to a site that as you know is considered to be full of Apoststes and Dfed and DA folks and you have FREELY AND OPENEDLY expressed the above issues that you state NEED TO BE REFORMED

now answer this:

What would happen to you as a JW if you sat down and wrote a lettler to the GB- yes your FDS that you look to for directions and instructions and told them THE ABOVE THINGS NEED TO BE REFORMED .

What do you think would happen to you- would you be commended for expressing those VIEWS OR WOULD YOU FIND YOURSELF IN HOT WATER

LET ME GIVE YOU JUST A HINT:

Today's Watchtower lesson instructs Witnesses not to think for themselves when it comes to Bible understanding:

Augest 1, 2001, p. 14, par. 8:

First, since "oneness" is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rater, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and "the faithful and discreet slave." By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided "at the proper time" -- through Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions -- we can be sure that we maintain "oneness" with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge. -- Matthew 24:45.

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so by default you are already IN TROUBLE for you have harbor private views different from the society-

now be honest did you ever think that your own religion would CONDEMN you NOT FOR SHARING WITH OTHERS ,but for you merely THINKING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TO THINK

yes regardless of what you say- when i showed this to some NONJW they could not believe that JW were not allowed to even have a PERSONAL VIEW ON WHAT A SCRIPTURE MEANS

when i was in is was always OK to at least have a different view AS LONG AS YOU KEPT IT TO YOURSELF and didn't walk around the Hall trying to get others to join in with your views

but as of Aug 1--2001 WT -----------YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WT TEACHES

mind control my friend would YOU AGREE?

Sunspot

"I am just a Brother who still beleives in Jehovah God and hopes for major reforms"

HB, this DOES present a question or two.....

If you "still believe" that the WTS is being run by Jehovah and receiving HIS blessings earthwide......WHY would you feel that MAJOR REFORMS are necessary?

{And PLEASE don't give that old tired-out reasoning that it's because Jehovah's Organization is perfect, but "men are imperfect" .......because if Jehovah's holy spirit is DIRECTING the organization today, and his holy spirit appoints the Elders who are acting as shepherds and "safe hiding places" for the sheep.....then how can you even THINK that any kind of reform is necessary?]

Looking forward to your thoughts on this,

Annie

willy_think

HB,
I'm still waiting for you to tell me about "the good side" of following the WT's mandates.

Apparently you don't know of any good side. Just make something up if you need to, it works for my pops.

teejay

Do you think launching a personal vendetta against me will serve
any purpose? I AM NOT A TROLL. I am still witness...but new to
this forum. People why can't we all get along?

HaitianBoston,

I think you have confused me with someone else. I have no personal vendetta against you and made no personal attack of any kind. My questions were serious. Let me ask them again:

If the Organization reforms, will it *still* be the Truth?

Or, is it *not* the truth now but *will be* once it reforms?

Lady Lee

HB You want change in the organization.

So do we. (but we may be looking for its demise rather than its reform)

We are happy apostates

Stick around. Play nice and soon you can be a happy apostate too.

If you want to debate with fellow JWs then there are other sites that have active faithful or reform JWs like yourself.

Until you decide WELCOME

Vivamus

HB, You claim you still support the organization. I assume then that you believe Jehovah is ruling that organization. If the almighty is working there, why would changes need to be made? Why doesnt God just speak to the anointed ones and tell them to stop screwing up? Is it possible that they either do not hear Him, or do they not listen. Or of course, maybe Jehovah isnt governing the Governing body.

Secondly. The organization sold dreams that have proven to be false. They had NO RIGHT of doing so.

I have no hatred towards individual JW. My mum and grandma both are JW. But don't tell me I can't be angry at the organization that tells my mum and my friends not to talk with me, because my views are slightly different!

Welcome aboard, (but you do realise that as a good JW, you are not supposed to have contact with apostates like myself, do you? )

I hope you find your answers,

Viv

Sunspot

>>>If you "still believe" that the WTS is being run by Jehovah and receiving HIS blessings earthwide......WHY would you feel that MAJOR REFORMS are necessary?<<<

HB, are you playing "householder" and not answering the door but WE know you're HOME?

I'll just take your silence as "no defense"..........and having "no" defense on WTS reasoning, you may soon see a lot MORE "indefensible" nonsense just for what it is.

Hugs,

Annie

minimus

Since you are fair minded and in good standing, what did your elders think about your opinions. I am sure that you have shared your thinking with them.

HaitianBoston

Why do you think that I'm on here for?

ARE YOU FAIR MINDED???? Well we'll see...

Simon

JT

Sunspot

willy_think

teejay

Lady Lee

Vivamus

Sunspot

minimus

HaitianBoston

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