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  • Quotes
    Quotes

    I just felt like posting an email I received recently which I got a kick out of. Here is the email; my response follows on the next post.

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    One of my friends are a Jehavahs witness and i think he is one of the nicest
    people i have ever known, i even go to thier church forom time to time, and
    everybody there was very polite and kind, and you people are downing the
    Jehovahs Witnesses for studying the bible, well you know what, all the other
    religions dont even take the time to open the bible and when they do, it is
    just lies anyways. Jehovahs Witnesses at one time celebrated
    Christmas,Halloween,Thanksgiving, they did all of that stuff. But through
    time and study of the bible they relised that it was wrong to do this, at
    least they are progressing with bible knowledge. Jehovahs Witnesses are not
    perfect, but they do make progression. I think this websight is a discrase
    and picks on the words of the Watchtower, you guys like to make a 2nd meaning
    out of every sentence they write. I think it is wrong, why dont you write
    some good things down about the witnesses.

  • Quotes
    Quotes

    As promised, here is my response:

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    Subject: Re: Suggestion
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:48:18 -0400
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    Dear [email protected],

    Thanks for taking the time to write to us. We always appreciate feedback from visitors to our site.

    We would like to carefully address some of the points you have made:

    > One of my friends are a Jehavahs witness and i think he is one of the nicest
    > people i have ever known, i even go to thier church forom time to time, and

    I am sure your friend is a very nice person. I have many, many very nice
    friends from many and various religious backgrounds. What is you point?
    We never said that your friend is not nice, so I'm confused why you
    point this out. Also, you should be aware that Jehovah's Witnesses (yes,
    that is how it is spelled) don't go to "church" they meet at "Kingdom
    Hall". They generally very particular about their place of worship not
    being called a church. Just a friendly tip so you don't get into trouble
    next time you are visiting with your friend.

    > everybody there was very polite and kind,

    Again, you will get no argument from me on this. I have visited a number
    of different religious meetings (besides Kingdom Halls), and on each and
    every occasion the people there were both polite and kind. In fact, they
    were even cheerful and happy.

    > everybody there was very polite and kind, and you people are downing the
    > Jehovahs Witnesses for studying the bible,

    I am not sure why you think "us people" are "downing" the Witnesses for
    anything. Our website simply has collected together various interesting
    quotes from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. We have not added
    any commentary or editorial, therefore it is impossible that "we" are
    downing the Witnesses. "We" didn't write anything at our website, rather
    the Watchtower Society did.

    > Jehovahs Witnesses for studying the bible, well you know what, all the other
    > religions dont even take the time to open the bible and when they do, it is

    Again, referring to our personal experience with several other Christian
    denominations, that is not true. Every different (non-JW) religious
    meeting I have ever attended involved people using the bible
    extensively. What was your experience in this matter? What religion did
    you associate with that "dont even take the time to open the bible"?
    Please let me know, I am truly curious.

    > religions dont even take the time to open the bible and when they do, it is
    > just lies anyways. Jehovahs Witnesses at one time celebrated

    Your point here is interesting, you are saying when other religions open
    the bible, it is lies. Are you suggesting there are lies in the bible?
    Or only certain bibles? Again, please advise, as this is confusing.

    > just lies anyways. Jehovahs Witnesses at one time celebrated
    > Christmas,Halloween,Thanksgiving, they did all of that stuff. But through
    > time and study of the bible they relised that it was wrong to do this, at
    > least they are progressing with bible knowledge. Jehovahs Witnesses are not
    > perfect, but they do make progression. I think this websight is a discrase

    I believe that Charles Russell (founder of the Witnesses) said something
    about to "not quibble" about the date (December 25) but rather enjoy the
    celebration to the ransomer. So in the case of Christmas, they not only
    did it, they criticized others who didn't do it. But I digress.

    There are several interesting issues related to past practices of =
    Witnesses, including:

    (1) If Christ chose them as the most holy organization in 1919 (as
    Witnesses claim) then how did he find them "most holy" when they were
    still practicing all these things they now find "deadly" and "wordly"?

    (2) In come cases, the progress was completely reversed at a later
    time (for example see the flip-flop-flip regarding "Superior
    Authorities" at http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/superior_authorities.htm ) or "Sodom
    & Gomorrah" http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/sodom_gomorrah.htm .

    (3) If Witnesses past "sins" can be ignored/forgiven, when why not
    other religions, who have made similar progressions?

    Now, back to your letter:

    > perfect, but they do make progression. I think this websight is a discrase

    Do you also believe that the library in your friend's Kingdom Hall is
    also a disgrace? After all, it contains the same information. We have
    not added to or taken away from the material published by the Watchtower
    Bible and Tract Society. It is entirely their words, not ours.

    > and picks on the words of the Watchtower, you guys like to make a 2nd meaning
    > out of every sentence they write.

    Since we have not provided meaning or interpretation, it is impossible
    for us to provide a second meaning. The words are simply quoted; the
    meaning is left to the reader (as the scriptures say, "Let the reader
    use discernment"). If you disagree with us on this point, please tell us
    where we have done so.

    > out of every sentence they write. I think it is wrong, why dont you write
    > some good things down about the witnesses.

    Again, your statement presumes that we have written "bad things" about
    the Witnesses, which is incorrect. Rather, we simply have quoted the
    Watchtower Society. You can read more about the Watchtower Society at
    their official home page: www.watchtower.org .

    [email protected]
    http://Quotes.JehovahsWitnesses.com

    Am I the only person that thinks this person is more closely involved with the JWs than simply "a close friend is a witness"????

  • Xena
    Xena

    Quotes you are a Master! I wish I could import you for some family "chats"

    hhhmmmm considering how many close "worldly" friends JW's have.....

  • Vivamus
    Vivamus

    Your reply! ... LOL

    But, if he would have been more associated with the organisation, wouldn't he have spelled the name correctly? On the other hand, there are a lot of spelling mistakes in that e-mail, mmm...

    Viv.

  • Quotes
    Quotes

    Xena: you have just given me a great new career idea: Travelling Apostate. I could travel around the world getting paid to help people talk to JWs. Man, if there is any money in it, I would do it in a minute! Oh Well!

    Vivamus: Good point, however I once received an email from a "sister" (at least she claimed to be a sister) that referred to the "Watchtower Bible and Track Society". Now, she wasn't too bright, as she was writing to "thank you brother for you fine work on the web site, and it is so nice to have a place to go on the internet that is God's word." In other words, she hadn't suffered from "cognitive dissonance" after visiting our site. Oh well, it takes all kinds. BTW, WELCOME TO THE BOARD!!!

  • SYN
    SYN

    Quotes: I carn't believe a "Sister" could go onto your site and not be instantly disturbed! Geesh, well I guess it takes all kinds, doesn't it?

    HEADLINE HEADLINE HEADLINE
    Quotes' site mistaken for hardcore Dub promotional site, News at 11!

    Isn't it weird how even years or decades after the BORG, we can still nitpick the things OTHER people say about them and tell them all sorts of little details about the Society? For instance, the "church" thing is something most people would never know, but we Apostates know about these matters...intimately, dare I say. Ha.

    BTW, excellent reply, you really nailed this person to the wall. A little bird has told me they're not going to mail back!

  • Beans
    Beans

    I always refer to there place of worship as CHURCH now as it gets them going real good!!!

    Beans

  • rosalyn
    rosalyn

    The smart ones are out.

    The illiterates are still there.

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Cognitive dissonance is a terrible thing. Poor dubbie.

  • ItsJustlittleoldme
    ItsJustlittleoldme
    Cognitive dissonance is a terrible thing. Poor dubbie.

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste :-)

    Excellent reply quotes..

    I showed some of the quotes that you have at your website to my JW friend..

    I did so, however, without showing him the website.. I had him bring some bound volumes so I could check the 'accuracy' of a few disturbing things I'd read about the JW's on-line, and told him they must have been lies, since I could NOT IMAGINE this being published in their WT and Awake! magazines.. He, of coure, was MORE than happy to comply..

    I don't think he was sooo happy when I had him read me the article's, as I held the printouts of your website in my hand.. I didn't want him to touch the print-outs after all, since I wanted to shield him from the lies of the web.. '

    So, he read the bound volume, and of course, lookie here, the page I have in my hand says the same thing as the bound volume says.. Hmmmm, this is strange.. We got to look up 2 quotes before he 'lost it', and had to go home..

    I said, wait, there are more I'd like to verify, but he couldn't handle it.. By this time his one brain cell that was working critially was being bombarded by cognative dissonance, and he was shaking, and I thought he was gonna get stomach sick...

    He hasn't asked me about it, and he hasn't brought the bound volumes back so I can check the accuracy again.. <Sigh>.. Now I'll never know if the other 100+ quotes you have on your website are true or not <LOL>

    Thanks for the website!!!! I don't think he appreciated it, but he certainly couldn't argue with me... He read it to me!!!! I just looked shocked that your website was accurate..

    !!!!!

    Thanks again!

    Edited by - itsjustlittleoldme on 20 July 2002 23:45:22

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