Prayer does it work for you?

by haujobbz 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • ugg
    ugg

    i see the cruelty of what happens when people pray:::::::some examples
    of people and their experiences i know about:::::

    my friend who was mentally ill,,,big time,,,,prayed for strength to do
    what was right....she had always had a problem with smoking...and took
    it up again after falling apart....my friend,,,who could not even get
    out of bed,,,,was disfellowshipped...after the elders worked with her
    and did deep personal prayer for guidance in her behalf....

    another family had gotten a kitten.....but the cat acted strangely...
    and they begin to feel uncomfortable and upset themselves....they
    prayed deeply,,,coming to the conclusion that the cat had a demon!!!
    they killed the cat....

    the elders pray for insight when considering a man for appointment
    to elder or ms.....the circuit overseer prayers over it...the
    brothers in brooklyn pray over it...it is a divine arrangement from
    jehovah himself....with jesus guiding and directing this...angels are
    at work here....yet,,,some of the meanest and untruthful people are
    appointed??????????

    if there prayers don't work,,,,why should mine....yes,,,i know i am a
    mess...

  • ISP
    ISP

    I can say that prayers have never worked for me! I did 20 years of them in the WT! I don't think they worked for anyone I knew also!

    ISP

  • ChrisVance
    ChrisVance

    "Nothing failes like prayer. Use your mind and you will find that nothing fails like prayer." - Dan Barker

  • SpiderMonkey
    SpiderMonkey

    Dave L, I really enjoyed your post. Particularly along the lines of not putting limits on the actions of spirit.

    My prayers tend to be very simple & straightforward; I rarely pray "for" anything... I think the greatest benefit comes from attention to those things I feel thankful for; I think the energy of my attention strengthens those "good things" and keeps me from strengthening a condition of "lack" of those things I don't have. Basically, I close my eyes and mentally say "thank you," and visualize specific things or areas of my life that I am truly grateful for... This "works" for me, even if only by giving me greater peace of mind. I'm not saying it's wrong or ineffective to ask for help; I just find that the benefit to my mind & spirit is greatest when I focus on what I do have, rather than what I don't.

  • one
    one

    "People can feel if you intend them harm, or if you intend them Love. They do not know how they know but they do feel it. "

    Nomisterynosecret easy... body language, language, looks, voice tone and particulars, history of the relationship etc etc.

    BTW

    there are thing like magnetism,

    which you dont see nor feel but can affect some material bodies without being physically in contact.

    On a tangent as usual

    Radio Frequency radiation can cook your potatoes at a distance. (microwave oven)

    The same frequency used for celullar/pcs, just at a bit higher power... scaring.

    the same kind of lawyers that were watching the tobbaco industry is watching the wireless industry.

    back to the subject

    mix the word below and see what may come up

    prayer

    self conditioning

    planning

    determination

    precaution

    moderation

    intimidation

    personality

    risk

    personal influence or authority over...

    probabilities

    eg "if you get the coal order"

  • libra_spirit
    libra_spirit

    One,

    You are correct all these things can be explained with other scientific "possibilities", however what can not be explained by science is how it works, at least at the present, let alone teach anyone about it scientifically.

    In my karate class we would do a sensitivity training excersise, that absolutely showed me that we can not explain it with body launguage or speech inflections. It really comes down to intent, and the way we can percieve it is not explainable with present science. Four people in katrate Gi's (white uniforms) standing motionless around a fifth person in the middle with a blindfold on. The person in the middle can without fail 100 percent of the time idendify which one of the four has the intent of attacking him, without anyone even moving. Many explain it differently, as a feeling of pressure, or electricity, or heat, but the one thing they all manage to feel is the intent to do harm. Most students find this ability very surprising at first. Karate people are usually pretty good about not sending any physical messages about what they are about to do, much of the training is learning to recognise these movements that would signal your opponent as to what you are thinking. However when one learns to feel the intent of another towards them it impacts thier lives and most take the ability outside the dojo into thier lives.

    I think someday when we have instrument that can measure these forces, that we can so easily feel if we just attempt to with an opened mind, they may enter the realm of science. How do you write a formula for something like intent, or love, or hate? It is a false sense of security to think we can understand this stuff with our present scientific quantifiable models. For now we can only rely on the people who have worked with these forces, those are the meditators and spiritualists who work with them. You can try it for yourself and see what works for you, or you can ignor it. From karate truths to Reiki healing arts to touch for health, to prayer, sending love to others has provided many with a much richer existence. Why are all these things consider as demonism to JW's?

    Like I said before though, the JW's have mutated prayer into a control issue where you must first seek forgiveness of guilt, then limiting Spirit to a one sided battle of them against the world. I would expect most XJW's, like I was, would get a very sour feeling when even talking about it let alone become adventerous enough to try it again expecting a positave expierence from it. I'm just have to tell others here that it is something that can be positive if used with a more opened and self loving approach. If you still have all those guilt feelings, then the prayers won't work at all because you will never allow them to manifest because you will never believe that you are worthy. On the soul level we are all equals and we are all worthy and that is the starting point for Spirituality and that is what the JW's seek to hide from us instilling fear and guilt so they may keep us questioning ourselves and trusting only in them. That is Spiritual abuse.

    Wow maybe I am a "Patriot"....LOL

    Edited by - libra_spirit on 28 July 2002 19:40:57

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Libra:
    You make some interesting points in this thread - no, better than interesting - excellent.

    Prayer, as a JW, was rarely prayer at all. The reason that I say that is because rarely was a connection made, rather just a formula of cerebral reasoning was followed.

    Real prayer is far simpler, and at a far deeper level than that.

    Facial hair poll: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=33229&site=3

    Edited by - LittleToe on 30 July 2002 17:31:33

  • LB
    LB

    Well, I was a praying maniac. Now I don't pray any longer. I have never prayed for myself even once. I really thought I was speaking to God then. Now, after watchtower crap I have trouble believing in anything.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    LB:
    The strange thing is that should your knees hit the deck now, with your curent convictions, your prayer will likely be far more meaningful than all the ones you uttered as a drone.

    Facial hair poll: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=33229&site=3

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