Organization non-members ARE approved by God

by YoursChelbie 24 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • You Know
    You Know

    Musky asys YK

    Do you have proof that Jehovah uses the Watchtower in the same way he used his own son while on the earth?

    Yes. The proof is that Jehovah's Witnesses are doing the work that Christ commanded Christians to do, namely to go to people of all the nations teaching them about God and Christ and teaching them to observe Christ's commands. And like I said, Jesus views the treatment meted out to his ambassadors as if done to him personally. In fact he said that anyone who gave his brothers a cup of water on the basis of the fact that they recognized them as Christ's representatives would not lose their reward. That definitely proves that Jesus also operates through an organized association of his followers. / You Know

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered

    Y/N The meetings in about an hour, are you ready. If not you need to take a shower , etc. Get goin'. It's your turn to read the Watchtower.

  • You Know
    You Know

    Oh, gee, thanks for the reminder. Time gets away from me sometimes. / You Know

  • musky
    musky

    You Know, Based on your reasoning, one would have to assume then that there are other people who are not related to the watchtower that are preaching about God and Christ. If it were not for a caring christian, I would have probably never questioned the watchtowers teachings. Just accepted what I was told. I believe that in other parts of the world there are caring christian people who teach others about God and Christ. Being that there are posters from all over the world here, Maybe they can post some examples of preaching in there area. musky

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    The criminal impaled next to Jesus ---To this individual, Jesus said, "You will be with me in Paradise."(Luke 23 v 43) God clearly approved of this person because of the good heart condition

    The official Witness teaching on this is that the criminal could not have gone to be with Jesus in heaven because he was not baptised!

    Just another occasion when the Borg says they know better than Jesus!

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • ChristianObserver
    ChristianObserver

    Hello YouKnow :o)

    >>In fact he said that anyone who gave his brothers a cup of water on the basis of the fact that they recognized them as Christ's representatives would not lose their reward. That definitely proves that Jesus also operates through an organized association of his followers.

    I think that He was using the singular in those passages and speaking about each individual:

    Mark 9 v 37: Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

    Luke 9 v 48: And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.

    Matt 10 v 42: And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold [water] only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

    Matt 25 v 40: And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

    >>That definitely proves that Jesus also operates through an organized association of his followers.

    I think that if we consider that Jesus works through an organised association of his followers, then that organised association of His followers would be known as *the body of Christ*. And members of the body of Christ do not necessarily all have the same function. Some are gifted in teaching, some in preaching, some in caring, some in listening, some in healing, some in visiting the needy, some are able to give financial support etc etc. We all have a part to play - but we are not necessarily all able to do exactly the same thing with equal success - but we are all necessary :o)

    >>The proof is that Jehovah's Witnesses are doing the work that Christ commanded Christians to do, namely to go to people of all the nations teaching them about God and Christ and teaching them to observe Christ's commands.

    So in that case, the fact that the Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Church, the Baptists, Methodists, United Reformed, Pentecostalists etc etc are heavily involved in missionary activities, going to all the nations teaching them about God and Christ and teaching them to observe Christ's commands would also be proof that their respective churches are doing the work that Christ commanded. Many of these *missions* also involve feeding the poor, tending the sick etc.

    A few examples for Musky :o) A friend of mine is a Doctor and his wife a teacher so their mission has been tri-fold. Today I was speaking to an engineer who will be going out as a missionary using his professional skills on building/clean water projects as well as preaching. Off the top of my head the following are christian charities which involve mission - Christian Aid, Oxfam, Save the Children Fund, Caritas, CAFOD, Leprosy Mission, Tearfund, Harvest for the Hungry, Operation Christmas Child, Mission Aviation Fellowship, Church Missionary Society etc

    The following are some examples of christian witnessing across the denominations in our area: we run christian based holiday clubs for the children; run Mum and Toddler groups; have a drop in centre for young mothers; have a christian GP practice; run Alpha courses; run clubs for the elderly; run a disabled riding centre; have contact and involvement with playgroups and schools; sponsor various youth projects; sponsor groups which go into senior schools to take services, hold discussions etc; have a number of christian schools which are seriously oversubscribed; periodically hold inter-denominational events such as open air services; run Good News courses in homes; make baptismal visits and hold pre-marriage sessions; run after school clubs for children; organise prison visiting; supply volunteers for various charity shops and the hospice; supply volunteer helpers for Harvest for the Hungry and Operation Christmas Child; internet witnessing ;o)

    I'm of the view that often actions speak louder than words and that God uses individuals - irrespective of their *label* of membership :o)

    For Lieu :o) I agree with you that the implement of Christ's death is of minor importance. It is His death and resurrection which are the important parts :o) Couldn't resist the *impale* gauntlet though ;o)

  • abbagail
    abbagail
    Musky asys YK: "Do you have proof that Jehovah uses the Watchtower.....?"

    Yes, I have proof! 'Cuz Freddie Franz SAID SO! Jehovah IS the Editor of the Watchtower! Read about it here:
    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18930&site=3&page=1

    ------

    Seriously, good thread YoursChelbie, lots of good comments and food for thought.

    I especially liked being reminded of Jesus' comment about those expelling demons in his name but not of his immediate little group.

    And as far as impale/stake/cross, I heard today's WT says not to bother looking up the meanings of the root words anymore. Hmmmmm.... why is that?

    Grits

  • YoursChelbie
    YoursChelbie

    Thanks for your kind words GRITS!

    Thank you to everyone who contributed their thoughts.

    Christian Observer's point on the Good Samaritan was excellent!

    Everybody on this thread really is a thinking person and I appreciate all your comments.

    YoursChelbie

  • blondie
    blondie
    Does the Bible contain accounts of persons who, while not active members of "organized" religion have God's appoval?

    There was no organized religion with God's approval until 1513 B.C.E. when the God made a covenant with the Israelites.

    w79 3/1 12 Faith in Jehovah's Victorious Organization

    GODS visible, earthly organization came to view with the establishing of the 12 tribes of the Hebrew people as a nation with a theocratic government over them in the year 1513 before our Common Era.

    So..

    Abel (no organization, only one serving God)

    Enoch (ditto)

    Abraham/Sarah

    Melchizedek

    Isaac/Rebekah

    Jacob/4 wives

    12 sons, 1 daughter

    Joseph's wife (daughter of Egyptian priest of god On)

    Zipporah, Moses' wife (Midianite)

    Hobab (her brother)

    Hiram, King of Tyre

    Queen of Sheba

    Ebed-melech

    Jehonadab and his descendants the Rechabites

    Jael (Kenite who killed Sisera)

    Edited by - Blondie on 28 July 2002 22:42:4

  • ChristianObserver
    ChristianObserver

    Hello Chelbie :o)

    >>Leaving the Watchtower doesn't mean a person is not close to God.

    I agree :o) Only leaving God means that a person is not close to God, though the parable of the prodigal son would indicate that God would remain close to them waiting for their return and (metaphorically) rushing to meet them with outstretched arms and would not shun them.

    Leaving the WTBTS means that a person is no longer close to the organisation, but does the organisation remain close to them? From what I have read the person leaving would be labelled an apostate and shunned. Two very different scenarios.

    GRITS - I was very interested in your comment about not looking up the root words! Is there anything in the literature about that yet do you know as I'd be interested. Thanks :o)

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