this weeks bible highlights: Jehovah slaughters his own people to teach David a lesson

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  • Hold Me-Thrill Me
    Hold Me-Thrill Me

    Morpheus,

    2Sa 24:1 Now again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."

    2Sa 24:2 The king said to Joab the commander of the army who was with him, "Go about now through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and register the people, that I may know the number of the people."

    2Sa 24:3 But Joab said to the king, "Now may the LORD your God add to the people a hundred times as many as they are, while the eyes of my lord the king still see; but why does my lord the king delight in this thing?"

    2Sa 24:4 Nevertheless, the king's word prevailed against Joab and against the commanders of the army. So Joab and the commanders of the army went out from the presence of the king to register the people of Israel.

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    1Ch 21:1 Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to number Israel.

    1Ch 21:2 So David said to Joab and to the princes of the people, "Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan, and bring me word that I may know their number."

    1Ch 21:3 Joab said, "May the LORD add to His people a hundred times as many as they are! But, my lord the king, are they not all my lord's servants? Why does my lord seek this thing? Why should he be a cause of guilt to Israel?"

    1Ch 21:4 Nevertheless, the king's word prevailed against Joab. Therefore, Joab departed and went throughout all Israel, and came to Jerusalem.

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    King David decided to number Israel. Joab tried to dissuade him from doing that. David prevailed, Israel was numbered, a pestilence occurred.

    From a religious point of view this happened because either:

    1. David out rightly sinned as he did with Bathsheba or

    2. Satan tempted David and won out

    The writer of 2 Chron. says Satan tempted David.

    Religious thinking on this: But wait, does Satan have the power to stand up against God's people and tempt the King without God's allowance? No, of course not. Satan can only act against Israel if God allows him to act.

    The writers, or redactors, of 2 Samuel chose to go directly to God on this one. Note, where the first verse says, "Now again the anger," showing a continuation of a previous time when God's anger blazed.

    The writers of 2 Chronicles, on the other hand, put the blame on Satan as the first cause.

    Another way to look at this:

    Did God actually give David three choices? This is a literary device something very much understood and allowed in religious writing. From what I've read the ancient Jews did not believe the OT scriptures should all be understood literally. They were much more interested in the lessons of the story, the religious lesson, the spiritual lesson.

    What is the teaching, that was the question. The lesson with David was that there is always a price to pay when disobeying God. No one had to die for that lesson to be learned. A good story will suffice.

    Yet another way to look at this: It's all just lies about a mythical god.

    Note to Bethel:

    It's interesting how the Governing Body likes to use the principles in the OT when it suits them but they have conveniently ignored the lesson of this account and have "numbered" the anointed.

    They don't really believe in God do they.

    Another lesson: If the Governing Body is in trouble it's because, like King David, God is allowing their adversaries and internally generated bad advice to cause them to stumble.

    But they don't really believe in God do they.

  • steve2
    steve2

    When this happened in days of old, it was at the instigation of the "True" God.

    When this happens nowadays, it is at the instigation of ISIS.

    As Chris Hitchens said, religion poisons everything.

  • John Aquila
    John Aquila

    Hold Me-Thrill Me

    Hold Me-Thrill Me

    They don't really believe in God do they.

    No they don't. They should post here. Hey, maybe they do!!!!!

  • John Aquila
    John Aquila
    Finkelstein 7 hours ago

    Let it be correctly acknowledged that the ancient Hebrews embellished stories about their god into creating its power and relevance, much like the majority of ancient civilizations.

    In other words these stories are of fiction and that should be an accepted fact.

    What if these stories are really true. What if there is a God and he is a maniac. That would explain all the crazy shi** in the world.


  • Brokeback Watchtower
    Brokeback Watchtower
    Jehovah is so human it ain't funny. He get pissed off and in a rage he does a lot of damage then later he says to himself : 'what have I done' and feels regret. I only wish that he got suicidal and killed himself like other humans do when the reality of what they did in a uncontrollable rage hits them like a ton of bricks, but no he continues on in the same madness as before being over taken by his emotions to do terrible things to the human family.
  • Stealth
    Stealth

    This was one of the very last #2 talks that I gave. I really never paid much attention to this account before my #2 assignment. When I was preparing for it and had to think a little deeper, it disturbed me to my core that god would kill innocent for David's err when he was given other choices.

    I wanted to cancel the talk, but I didn't. I simply read the account from the bible with NO introduction or concluding comments, then walked off the stage.

    I didn't realize it at the time, but that was the beginning of my eyes being opened.

    Now I know its all BS and it was common for bronze age kings to blame god for everything that happened.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    John Aquila: David has someone kill Uriah, (sort of like something the mob would do) then he steals his wife Bathsheba. She becomes pregnant and her first son dies, (poor bastard) the second son is named Solomon and he is given the Kingdom, Godly Wisdom, Gold in abundance and 1000 wives and concubines. Bathsheba becomes part of the linage of Jesus Christ. So everyone is blessed

    JA, essentially correct except you've got a couple of things out of order.

    David knocked up Bathsheba first, THEN he arranged for Uriah's death: "Make it look like an accident!"



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