Harry Potter (page 3)

TD

My daughter brought the first book home from a school book fair when she was eight years old. I read it out of curiosity and enjoyed it almost as much as she did. We've both read each new book usually on the day of release and I've also gotten the Classical Greek editions of the series to date

bebu

Snape didn't kill Dumbledore. Dumbledore is not dead. Snape and Dumbledore planned the whole thing to have Voldemort and his followers believe that he was out of the way... Can't wait for the last book!

How I wish this were true! But according to JKR herself, Dumbledore is "definitely dead".

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Big Tex

Thanks bebu. Actually Nina and I put our heads together. She's better at it than I am. And yes there are a lot of details, but that's what makes it fun for me.

Chris, do you visit any particular websites or boards online for discussions about it? If so, what would you recommend?

There's two: mugglenet.com and leaky-cauldron.org. Mugglenet has some fantastic articles and editorials (the best are found in a place called "Spinner's Web"). This is where I found the theory about stoppered death. There's also a theory there that Draco Malfoy did not have the Dark Mark on his arm; he was bitten by Fenrir Greyback and is now a werewolf. There's lots of clues that point toward this.

Aaaargh . I think I did, once upon a time. Now I can't recall!! You wanna spill the beans--or give a hint? Or are you just trying to torment me?? The reason Dumbledore gave was that Snape had taken measures to show he had given up on the deatheaters. But that is far too general to be interesting at all.

Nina and I think that Snape took the Unbreakable Vow with Dumbledore (and perhaps his mother (she's the librarian) or even Aberforth as the bonder). Dumbledore's not stupid and if Snape just told Voldemort about the Prophecy and then wants to come work at Hogwarts, well just saying 'sorry' isn't enough. Remember Dumbledore almost told Harry more after Harry found out that Snape was the one who told Voldemort. But he didn't. Why? I think it's because if Harry knows too much Voldemort can find out by using the mental conneciton. That would absolutely ruin Snape as a spy.

We think that the Vow Snape took was to (1) obey Dumbledore; (2) protect Hogwarts and all its students; and (3) watch over Harry. This would explain why Snape has intervened a few times to save Harry despite the fact he hates him.

Only thing is, Dumbledore may not have been aware of what Snape was actually up to, since (as I recall) he resisted Snape--pleaded with him not to say the spell... Anyway, I think that is a very intriguing theory!

Okay, but remember Dumbledore asked for Snape, not Madam Pomfrey to cure him. Also are you sure Dumbledore was pleading with Snape to spare him? Or was he pleading with Snape to follow his orders? Remember the row they had that Hagrid overhead?

There's also another very subtle clue: read the description of Harry's reaction when he forces Dumbledore to drink the Boggart potion in the cave. It's an almost exact same description of Snape as he is casting the Avada Kedavra.

I'm not saying Snape is a good guy, quite the opposite, I think he's actually in it for himself. But I am convinced he is working against Voldemort. I suspect he did not willingly become a Death Eater but was forced into it.

Celia

Bebu:

Aaawhhah... I am crushed ! Dumbledore dead dead !?

Forscher

Thanks for all the coments folks.

there are two other lines of thought not mentioned here that are floating around in my circle. One is that Neville is going to be key to Voldemort's demise. Since Neville was the other child which fit the prophecy and is marked by him as well in that his parents were savaged by voldemort's henchmen, he is a possibility. His growing abilities also make him a potential player.

Another possibility, is that Harry is a living horcrux. Dumbledore seemed to feel that when Voldemort went after Harry he had also planned to make his final horcrux with Harry's death. But things backfired, so why not to the extent that Harry becme so inextricably bound to Voldemort that their souls are now linked together. That could provide a sound basis for Harry's demise which would not jeopardise the future status of the series if handled properly and play to critics as well, which does seem to be part of what she is doing with the last few books.

Forscher

Big Tex

One is that Neville is going to be key to Voldemort's demise. Since Neville was the other child which fit the prophecy and is marked by him as well in that his parents were savaged by voldemort's henchmen, he is a possibility. His growing abilities also make him a potential player.

Interesting. Well Neville is being set up for something. Just off the top of my head, he was in the boat with Harry in the first book when the first years took the little boats to Hogwarts across the lake and went "through the veil" of ivy to get there. In "Order of Phoenix" it was Harry, Ginny and Neville who were most interested in the voices coming from the curtain in the Department of Mysteries. Presuming the use of the symbol of a veil is synonmous with death, I think that's pointing in his direction. I do think Harry will die, but I also think he comes back.

I don't know, I tend to see Neville as Harry's doppleganger. I found it interesting in "Half Blood Prince" that Harry mused about Neville and wonder if Neville's mother would have made the same sacrifice and what that then would have meant for Harry. I tend to think Neville will sacrifice himself to save Harry/Ginny/? but I'm not sure. I'd like to see him get revenge upon Bellatrix before he goes though.

Another possibility, is that Harry is a living horcrux. Dumbledore seemed to feel that when Voldemort went after Harry he had also planned to make his final horcrux with Harry's death. But things backfired, so why not to the extent that Harry becme so inextricably bound to Voldemort that their souls are now linked together. That could provide a sound basis for Harry's demise which would not jeopardise the future status of the series if handled properly and play to critics as well, which does seem to be part of what she is doing with the last few books.

See I tend to think his scar is a Horcrux too Forscher. I've wondered just how one goes about making a Horcrux. What if Voldemort started to make this Horcrux just before he attempted to murder Harry? Obviously there's a spell, and I would think it reasonable to suppose that, at some point, Voldemort's soul was open during the process. What if that was when he cast the Avada Kedevra? And that was when he lost his body. What would have happened to that bit of soul?

We already know for a fact that Voldemort put part of himself in Harry. Could that be an accidental Horcrux then? Could that be why Voldemort ordered the Death Eaters not to kill Harry, only he himself would do that? Maybe he wants part of his soul back?

Mary

BigTex said: So I don't know if Harry will literally die, or have a figurative death (I tend to think he will 'go beyond the veil' which has been referenced numerous times) but afterward he rises up with more knowledge and power than before.

Don't worry, even if he dies, he's return invisibly in, let's saaaay......2014.

I read all the books. Enjoyed the first four. I thought the Order of the Phoenix was terrible. I found it extremely annoying how Harry continuously was shouting at everyone for anything and I wanted to thump him up the side of the head. I think J.K. Rowling had major PMS when she wrote it.......it just went on and on and on.........the only part I found truly enjoyable was when Fred and George play one last prank on that old bag who took Dumbledore's job (can't remember her name----nasty old bitch though). The sixth one was better although I thought it pointless to have Dumbledore killed off.

Given how there's been a major character killed on in the last 3 books, I would say it is definitely possible for her to kill off Harry at the end of number 7. Sort of a 'he gave himself so that others might live' type of sacrifice.

Big Tex

I thought the Order of the Phoenix was terrible. I found it extremely annoying how Harry continuously was shouting at everyone for anything and I wanted to thump him up the side of the head

I didn't care for it either. But I do think she wrote it accurately for the age group. Most 15 year boys are that disjointed and emotions are that close to the surface and yep, most need a good thump on the side of the head. God knows I did!

Don't worry, even if he dies, he's return invisibly in, let's saaaay......2014.

cynusalisa

ya I have watch all the parts of the movie Harry Potter.............Even I have read all the parts of the Book Harry Potter.......I really enjoyed the Book so much and also Like the books so much..........These books are best for time pass.....Whenever I feel bored I always read the books of harry potter.............

Band on the Run

I am reading the Potter series now b/c I wanted to see more details than in the films. It is adolescent writing. She writes in the same vein as C.S. Lewis and Madeleine L'Engle. As I read them, I note all her writing strategies so I am not engrossed. It is light and fun writing. The Witnesses must freak at them. If I read them as a Witness, I would be terrfied.

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