Your Rebellion = Watchtower Oxymoron.

Englishman

If you are an ex-witness, regardless of the reasons that you left, did you also rebel against your creator as well as the WTBTS? Or did you just feel that JW`s didn`t have the truth, but that you were quite happy to go on believing in God, albeit accepting that your idea of God was now somewhat different?

According to the Watchtower, by leaving the JW`s, you have rebeled directly against God. This is what it says:

"Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah’s organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of, their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they ‘feel a loathing’ toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies,…" The Watchtower October 1, 1993 p. 19.

The WTBTS`s incitement to `feel a loathing` towards the ingrained badness of ex`s, is based on their fear of people turning against the "organisation" - how presumptious to call it "Jehovahs organisation! - and has nothing to do with people turning against their creator.

To turn against God, you have to believe in his existence! And, if you believe he exists, who would be dumb enough to turn against him?This, surely, has to be one of the greatest oxymorons of all time.

Englishman.

neyank

Hi Englishman,
According toFunk and Wagnalls Dictionary, apostasy:Desertion of ones faith,religion,party or principles.
Or simply to go against what one formerly believed.
The word apostate also can be used with other orginizations besides religion.
Whether they be political or scholastic orginizations.
So keeping the definition in mind, all JWs that were once members of another religion and have left it to become Jehovahs Witnesses can rightly be called APOSTATES.
On page 36, In the book Reasoning from the Scriptures,it asks the question, Would faithful Christians welcome apostates into their presence, either personally or by reading their litterature?

Interesting question because anyone that is allowing Jehovahs Witnesses that were once part of another religion into their home for a study is associating and learning from apostates.

Good post Englishman.
neyank

neyank

I forgot to add, APOSTASY does NOT mean A rebellion against Jehovah.
It simply means that you don't believe what you once did.
You simply said NEVER MIND!
neyank

JAVA

Englishman,

To turn against God, you have to believe in his existence! And, if you believe he exists, who would be dumb enough to turn against him?This, surely, has to be one of the greatest oxymorons of all time.

I think there is a difference between "to turn against God" compared to admitting you don't know if there is a God. When we get right down to it, we can't really prove God exists. It's a matter of faith. That doesn't mean He/She doesn't exist, nor does it mean one is "against God" because one is honest enough to say, "I really don't know."

--JAVA, counting time at the Coffee Shop

Englishman

Java,

I agree, I don`t know for sure that there is a god, I suppose if it were up to me, I would have made my existence a lot clearer.

Englishman.

Englishman

PS, As I understand it, an oxymoron is a set of words that actually contradict one another such as "Military Intelligence".

The latest one is "Microsoft Works"

Englishman

JAVA

Englishman,

That's a good point, and something I've wondered about, too. If I was the Creator, and if I wanted the human species to worship me, and I was going to hold them accountable to worship me in the correct way--I would have a better plan than the contradictions and confusion we experience in the name of religion. We have all of these religious groups banging on their holy books, and on anyone disagreeing with them. My religion is better than your religion, and to hell with anyone saying differently. "God is love," but you'll become bird food if you don't believe like I believe!

If there is a Creator who wants to be worshiped, I'm sure he could do better than that. Perhaps there is a Creator who is not interested in our theology, and doesn't need, require or want to be worshiped. If that's true, it might explain why the Creator is letting the dust fall where it falls after the system is put into place. That I can understand, and it answers many unanswered questions for me.

--JAVA, counting time at the Coffee Shop

ozziepost

G'day all,

It seems that each new religion is formed with at least one identifying belief e.g. Seventh Day Adventists, Methodists, Quakers, etc. Then to propagate their group they establish rules and claim that they have the only true way to be saved. Over time those rules comprise "the truth". With the JWs they have enforced those rules to an extreme degree.

The standard line to any lapsed JW is "Don't leave Jehovah". They equate Jehovah with the organisation. Any JW may readily think in terms of two entities, but to the JW those two are intertwined. Hence, the hatred and spiel against the apostates.

Ozzie (who remembers that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God")

ozziepost

CORRECTION: I should have written "Any non-JW may readily think in terms of two entities...."

Sorry.

Ozzie

Englishman

"The standard line to any lapsed JW is "Don't leave Jehovah". They equate Jehovah with the organisation."

Ozzie, that is exactly right, I`ve lost count of the number of times that I`ve been told that "I have turned my back" on Jehovah. This turning your back sketch, was well used in " Gladiator", I recall!

Englishman.

Your Rebellion = Watchtower Oxymoron.

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