Can Anyone Find this Article??

by silentlambs 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Look Here for the article in the "Waikato Times; Hamilton, New Zealand, Aug 7, 2002".

    http://proquest.umi.com/pqdlink?Ver=1&Exp=08-08-2007&VAULT=1&FMT=FT&DID=000000147510491&REQ=1&Cert=espunU8CKOFSc3%2fRQTo4pQwDhs9cqH7fewS5eFSKl53W2zX%2fsHneC0giyPQp%2fc0FHJlgPentYXF9sSlfr6wF3w--

    `I can imprison you,' judge tells church man
    Waikato Times ; Hamilton, New Zealand; Aug 7, 2002; BOYES, Nicola;

    Sub Title: [2 Edition]
    Start Page: 5
    Abstract:
    Giving evidence at the trial in the Hamilton District Court, Frederick Marriner, an elder in the Jehovah's Witness church, refused to say what the accused told him about his relationship with his wife.

    Several people involved in the Jehovah's Witness church gave evidence against the accused yesterday. They included a family friend who said she and the accused had talked about problems he was having with his wife.
    Full Text:
    Copyright Independent Newspapers, Ltd. Aug 7, 2002

    A Jehovah's Witness elder has been told he could go to jail for not giving evidence against a former member of his church facing rape and sexual assault charges.

    A 35-year-old Hamilton man has denied charges of raping and sexually abusing his wife over nine years.

    Giving evidence at the trial in the Hamilton District Court, Frederick Marriner, an elder in the Jehovah's Witness church, refused to say what the accused told him about his relationship with his wife.

    "I'm a minister of a religion and with respect to the court and the judge I really feel I don't want to discuss that because I feel it was given in confidence . . . and what if I wasn't to answer that?," he said to Judge Robert Wolff.

    The judge told him: "One of the consequences may be that I can imprison you."

    Mr Marriner is seeking legal counsel on the matter.

    Several people involved in the Jehovah's Witness church gave evidence against the accused yesterday. They included a family friend who said she and the accused had talked about problems he was having with his wife.

    She told Crown Prosecutor Mark Sturm that on one occasion when she and her husband visited the couple the complainant, who cannot be identified, was in bed crying, saying her husband had raped her.

    The complainant's son gave evidence that the accused told him he had raped his mother.

    The adult son was still living with the accused at that time and moved home with his mother.

    Under cross-examination by defence counsel Tom Sutcliffe, he admitted he moved back into the accused's home after a falling out with his mother.

    Meanwhile a juror was stood down yesterday after it was discovered she knew the accused's sister. (Proceeding).


    Edited by - hawkaw on 9 August 2002 14:51:16

    Edited by - hawkaw on 9 August 2002 15:8:38

    Edited by - hawkaw on 9 August 2002 15:10:51

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Fred,

    Your hijacking this thread, come back to me and avoiding the issue is just so sad. And shows just how sick you really are.

    Think about it.

    You really support these molestors even though they have been proven guilty beyond the much higher standard of "reasonable doubt". It is a ten fold harder thing to prove than the two-witness rule.

    Yet, you sit at that computer and never once come out and ask for this man and others like Paul Berry to be dfed or even repremanded while they rot in jail. Sadly, you think its a big joke, and with your comments, you just keep on hurting a lot of the victims reading this thread who were abused by other JW men/women? Maybe its gotta happen close to home - like maybe to your mommy or your better half (if you have one) or a good friend or to you yourself - before you get it. I don't know.

    But its really sad that you are so sick.

    hawk

    Edited by - hawkaw on 9 August 2002 15:3:0

  • Fredhall
    Fredhall

    Kawkaw,

    You and Bowen should mind your business and stop sicking your nose into people asses.

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered

    Fredhall

    You need to stop hijacking these threads dumbass.

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Well Fred, I don't talk for Bill but lets get a few things straight.

    I don't talk for anybody. Understand?

    The facts are it was the Watchtower that got into these peoples lives with a series of articles that told women and children what to do when they were sexually assulted. May it be screaming, may it be that they must take this evil to the elders instead of the police and on and on. And if they didn't follow the rules they would be "shunned" by family and friends - a great "fear" tactic and threat that amounted to putting a gun to a person head.

    They set the rules and got into people's lives - not us.

    They are the ones who conducted investigations. And they are the ones who forced innocent little children and scared victimized women into hearings where they had to face their "controlling" people that they had accused. They are the ones who forced them to relive the god damn nightmare and did it without any kind of special training unless you call that jainitors licence some kind of "official training".

    All the people, like me have done is expose what the rules have done to hurt innocent little kids and innocent women who didn't know how to scream for crying out loud.

    So quit changing the argument and face the facts that you support an environment that allows rapists to have a hay day with kids and women.

    Have a nice day Fred.

    hawk

    Edited by - hawkaw on 9 August 2002 15:18:0

    Edited by - hawkaw on 9 August 2002 15:22:18

  • Nowfree
    Nowfree

    It may be that Fred is unable to comprehend the seriousness of the allegations being made against the Watchtower Society.

    It could be due to a mental disorder that Fred is suffering from - an inherent defect that he will never be cured of, maybe even medication and the odd ECT treatment doesn't touch.

    Or it could be that he is so brainwashed by the WTB&TS that if they started telling him that the sky is now brown - he would believe it. You wouldn't be able to persuade him otherwise.

    Nowfree

  • ignored_one
    ignored_one

    Simon,

    Isn't it about time Fred Hall had his account deactivated? He's about as useful as an inflatable dartboard.

    Ignored One.

    Edited by - ignored_one on 9 August 2002 15:55:53

  • orangefatcat
    orangefatcat

    I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Fred is so self absorbed he thinks nothing of anyone else except himself and his own ego. You are very manipulative at making a post turn into something that makes you the center of attention. You have issues man severe issues. Anyone who supports sexual perverts and molesters and thinks it somewhat comical, is either himself a sicko and gets his jollies by being pro pedophile or you need to be put in a straight jacket and have the key thrown away. You need help man!!!

    And just think some one wanted to start a fan club for you!!. Thats problably before the person knew about the real you. Now we know the truth about you. I don't pretent to like people like you.

  • hippikon
    hippikon

    So what do they do in the end - Testify or go to jail? Or is it a conscience matter?

  • expatbrit
    expatbrit

    Hawkaw:

    Nice find on that article. The link is to Proquest and doesn't come up. I assume Proquest requires a subscription?

    Expatbrit

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