Rasputin and Serums and Herbs--Oh My!

by rebel8 36 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • j dubb
    j dubb
    I believe balance between both modern medicine and homeopathic/dietary methods for true health. 

    No. Homeopathy cannot and should not exist in any educated society. It is a belief in magic. While of course, diet effects your body and health, there is NO scientific methodology or theory as to how it can possibly work other than placebo effect. It has been disproven COUNTLESS TIMES. 



  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    truthseeker100 - "A lot of witnesses I knew here in Canada were sure into some weird alternative medicine, Medicine cabinets full of the weirdest natural vitamins and sometimes cupboard shelf after shelf full of vitamin bottles and they were always sick or getting over something. "

    I suspect that's a manifestation of the average JW's susceptibility to multi-level marketing scemes.

    A lot of MLMs involve selling vitamins and herbal supplements.

    EDIT: Oops; already mentioned.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    Homeopathy cannot and should not exist in any educated society. It is a belief in magic.


    I've read in the UK there's a homeopathic hospital funded by NHS. That's a travesty. It's creeping over here too--besides in the 'natural cures' stores, now you can buy some of this nothing-but-water foolishness in regular pharmacies.

  • cofty
    cofty

    It is a travesty.

    I suspect it's days are numbered.

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow
    Oh boy. I just now thought to search the litteratrash for keyword Rasputin. Yep, no wonder why they were on about that so much with me.
    "July 17, 1918, the date of Nicholas Romanoff’s execution by the Bolsheviki, is not too long ago for us to remember the last of the Russian czars, Nicholas II. Of him TheEncyclopedia Americana (volume 20, page 315) says: “His superstition was shown by his consultation of fortunetellers, spiritualists, mystics and charlatans in his desire to secure a male heir, his first four children being all girls.” He is all too well known for his connections with the notorious Russian Monk Gregor Novikh, nicknamed “Rasputin,” meaning “dissolute, profligate, libertine, licentious,” because such he was. Rasputin came of a peasant family with an inherited gift of mesmerism. He started a new cult, in which dancing and debauchery were mixed in with mystical seances. He was introduced to the Russian Imperial Court, where for years he exercised a powerful influence with Nicholas II, who retained him in his court, even against the protest of others." - "The Watchtower," 9/1/55, pp. 528,529.

    Hi Rebel. Thank you for digging up that reference to Rasputin in the Watchtower literature. I have added it to my notes. :)

    Rasputin is one of my favorite historical characters. A couple good books I have read about him are: 

    The Life and Times of Grigorii Rasputin by Alex deJonge, and Rasputin - Satyr, Saint or Satan by Douglas Myles.

    Rasputin's role in the last days of the Russian Empire, and his place in the bloody end of the Romanov Dynasty, is one that has been much discussed from various political viewpoints. 

    When medical doctors were unable to stop the young prince's bleeding, it was Rasputin who, by praying, laying on of hands, and, once, from telegram, was able to make the bleeding stop. The Empress Alexandra leaned heavily upon the monk - doing as any mother who loved her son unconditionally would do -- whatever it took to save his life. If blood transfusions had been available back then - she wouldn't have hesitated to give her son blood. 

    At the time that Rasputin became an active character involved with the Russian Royal court, and especially involved in the spiritual/medical care of the Russian prince, Russia had more than her share of religious cults. I think that it is Myles who gives a good account of the nature of the cults that Rasputin emerged from when he became the savior of the hemophiliac Prince Alexei.

    As a point of trivia, on the eve of Nicholas II's abdication March 15, 1917, (Mar. 2nd) there was an apocalyptic cult that gathered outside of Moscow, I believe, that committed suicide. I can't remember how many members committed suicide that night, but they thought it was the end of the world. And it was - the world has never been the same since. 

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    By telegram! LOL. I need to try that one.

    If blood transfusions had been available back then - she wouldn't have hesitated to give her son blood.

    I've always suspected that was exactly what he was doing. Not by telegram, but when he went in the room with the doors closed. I think he did a meditation routine to calm the child (which could naturally slow the speed of, but not stop, the bleeding by slowing the heartbeat). Then I think he gave transfusions. Transfusions had been done a few hundred years earlier, and right around the turn of the century, experiments were getting more popular. A family with this level of resources could perhaps get any treatment they wanted. I think Rasputin gave transfusions and then told the family he was doing it by his own magical powers, as a way to ingratiate himself to this powerful family. Just my hypothesis!

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    That is an interesting hypothesis, Rebel, and one that had not occurred to me. I will keep that in mind when I am researching. However, I have not run across anything in the numerous accounts that exist of the Royal family and Rasputin's involvement that would suggest that blood transfusions were involved. If they were, I would assume that a blood transfusion would have involved the medical doctors, not Rasputin, and a medical event like that would not have gone unnoticed or unrecorded.

    The prince kept a diary and had a servant with him at all times. I don't think Rasputin would have had the opportunity, even if he had the knowledge (which I doubt - Rasputin wasn't very educated) to administer the procedure. And not have the prince reveal it to someone - the family was very close and intimate with their private affairs.

    Many of the 'cures' pursued and even the lengths that the Royal couple went to to try to get that male heir was extensive. The Empress even went so far as to raise Seraphim to sainthood in 1903 in her desire for a son. She also, in her intense desire to produce an heir, suffered a false pregnancy right before conceiving Alexei.

    Alexandra was committed to producing a son as heir to the throne of Russia, and after giving birth to 4 daughters, the son was seen as a gift from God  a 'Jesus' for Russia. Alexei was born in 1904. And, ironically, the prince shed his blood too, just like the mythical Jesus of their Orthodox faith. He bled throughout his entire short life, and at the age of 14, in 1918, he shed his blood along with his entire family, on the ground of Russia. The history of the last of the Romanov dynasty is one of bloodshed, from its beginnings - right down to the blood of the last prince and his entire family - that era is soaked in blood.

    The hemophilia gene was passed onto the Russian male heir by his mother, Alexandra, who was the granddaughter of Queen Victoria. The Empress carried horrible personal guilt for passing this trait down to her son and, by all accounts, was a mother extraordinaire to all of her children. In spite of Alexander's shortcomings politically, nobody has ever been able to fault her as a mother - her devotion was boundless to her family.


  • HeyThere
    HeyThere

    You misunderstood what I was saying. Diet is important for prevention...and treatment in some instances....Such a as diabetes for example. You have to pay attention to what you put in your body. You can prevent diabetes in many cases by a healthy lifestyle....but once you have diabetes a combo of healthy lifestyle & medical treatment can help you manage. 

    And with my spine issues, medical marijuana can help control pain without all the side effects of the 7 prescriptions I now take. Also, massage and such helps.  But I would still need procedures through modern medical practice...and even modern medical doctors have suggested alternative treatments. Balance. 

  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow

    Rebel, there is much speculation concerning details of the prince's blood disorder as well as the events surrounding the death of the prince..

    For an alternative explanation to hemophilia being the disorder he suffered from, and that it may have been a different blood disorder, this article has some interesting theories.

    http://www.npsnet.com/alexei/

    The article also offers an interesting explanation as to why Alexei's bleeding stopped, apparently, from a simple telegram received from Rasputin. 

  • truthseeker100
    truthseeker100
    Hey there How does diet prevent Type 1 diabetes? 

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