1000 leaving Bethel - Why?

by spider 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • spider
    spider

    Bill said something in his "disfellowshiped" post which I found very interesting.

    Well, a change occurred at the end of April much like what happened in China.The conservatives used silentlambs as an excuse to squash the liberals and any chance of reform in the organization.Why do you think they are asking for 1,000 to leave Bethel? Who do you think 90% of that 1,000 are? It is the liberals, they are being kicked out wholesale and by doing so the last chance for the organization to save itself.The battle is over, Jaracz won.

    I had heard about the 1000 people leaving Bethel but it was spoken of as "downsizing". Now Bill indicates there is a more sinister reason behind this clearout. It almost sounds like what happened in the early eighties all over again.Would anyone else like to confirm or add to this?

  • MikeMusto
    MikeMusto

    My inside sources tell me that these announcement were made from the tabl

    and that they were totally voluntary.

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    I don't have any inside knowledge, but someone posted here awhile back that they were asked at Bethel to volunteer to leave, because they needed to 'downsize' by about 1000. I didn't get the impression that specific people were asked to leave, more that it was a general announcement.

  • nancee park
    nancee park

    The need to downsize is real. However as the Governing Body's top henchmen do so they are also kicking out those whom they have detected as being independent thinkers. Since Jarasc and his cronies are legally allowed to do so they have closely monitored telephone calls and other conversations, the trash cans, etc to spy out whom those are. So, for a while, most of those who helped Bill will be gone from Bethel, although the tyranny exercise there is sure to create many new replacements.

  • sunshineToo
    sunshineToo
    Since Jarasc and his cronies are legally allowed to do so they have closely monitored telephone calls and other conversations, the trash cans, etc to spy out whom those are.

    Is this for real? I mean, is this really legal?

  • nancee park
    nancee park

    I propose to counter the Bethel pogrom the following. Those who lurk here who are still JWs but inactive in the congregations please consider returning for at least a little to the kingdom halls to gather up names and addresses of current JWs then we can inform all current JWs all the better of the pedophile scandal and the rest such as with a letter like the following:

    RELIGIOUS GROUP CAUGHT WITH SECRET U.N. LIASON, PEDOPHILE COVERUPS ETC: There are many nice Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) but the Watchtower Society (WTS) over them its chain of WTS elders cover up child molestation and let pedophiles (mostly elders and ministerial servant clergy over JWs) go door-to-door as http://www.silentlambs.org. And this shows a UK elder handcuffed for prison because a pedophile:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2123000/2123546.stm

    WTS leaks state that some 23,000 cases of pedophilia are on file at WTS Bethel headquarters in Brooklyn, New York (USA). That at least one pedophile was on the Governing Body of the WTS in the 1980s if not now also is documented: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=5466&site=3

    WTS Awake and Watchtower magazines and elders say God opposes the UN but, until exposed, in 1991-2001 the WTS was secretly a formal UN associate not just to use the UN's library as proved if you read the Nov 22, 1998 Awake magazine and use Search at the top at jehovahs-witness.org with words such as "UN." Besides, the UN does not even require a group to become an official associate group in order to get a card to use its library! After this was publicized on the internet the official UN ties were cut but not all unofficial ties: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=34436&site=3

    Christ said families would be split by those doing right and those doing wrong but WTS has formal Judicial Committees destroying families via numerous formal renderings of disfellowshipment (severe shunning). 1 Cor 6:1 only says judge "trivial" things as in business, James 2:4-13 calls judging harmful, and Paul says the "majority" (2 Cor 2:6) followed his advice to shun a wrongdoer, meaning a Minority chose not to and yet he nowhere condemns them.

    Acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 Sam 14:32-5 says Saul's army ate unBLED meat to not starve and no verses show God not forgiving them. Christ says God also forgave David's eating temple holy bread and that God wants Mercy Not Sacrifice. (Mt 12) The May 22, 1994 Awake tells of 26 JW kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org. About 3 JWs die daily earthwide from the unscriptural policy! (Blood On The Altar by David Reed) Yet most normal identical twins transfuse whole blood to each other through a shared placenta and childrens whole blood is sometimes found in mothers years after birth.

    WTS says Christ was likely born about Oct 2, so why ignore counting back 9 months for normal conception or spiritual birth means he was born in late December? Why insist Christmas is from the pagan Saturnalia when John 10:22-3 says Christ also celebrated the Festival of Dedication or Lights, i.e. Hannukah, which first began Dec 25 but has varied since because lunar-based? Job 1:3, 3:1-3 show Job's kids celebrated birthdays if you read all 3 verses to see day of birth is meant. At Luke 2 angels themselves celebrated Christ's birth. Santa is from Saint Nicholas, an actual red-robed Christian gift-giving
    elder of the Middle Ages, not a wizard or pagan god. The word Easter may as easily be from the Anglo-Saxon word eastern (Christianity came from East of England) as from the goddess Eastre, the eggs as likely from the Jewish passover egg as from paganry, early Christians more likely using eggs and rabbits to symbolize new life by resurrection than as vesiges of pagan fertility or sex rites.

    Halloween came from All Hallows (Holy Ones/Saints) Evening when parents had children dress as saints to encourage them to be good, the normally harmless pranks coming from Ireland where maybe or maybe not taken from pagans even as wedding rings, names of days, months, some Christian names in the Bible like Apollos and Jason also came from pagans. Why does the WTS call compromises holidays that attacked and replaced paganisms especially since Colossians 2:16 says let none judge you about a holiday or Sabbaths? Some may not care for the commercializing of Christmas or those wearing witch costumes at Halloween and that's understandable, but why force our own consciences on others and make misleading statements about holiday origins? Also, WTS calls a cross a repugnant murder weapon but Paul said boast in it as a symbol of resurrection over death. (Ga 6:14, 1Cor 1:17-18) They say it was a stake but human remains and inscriptions show archaeologists the stauros was a cross not stake, Dr F Zugibe's research shows suffocation would be in minutes if on a stake but in hours if on outstretched cross per Lu 23:44 and Mat 27:45-6, and the word stauros can mean not just stake but cross.

    Although almost only the United Pentecostals teach that Jesus is God Almighty (Jehovah) Himself, WTS says the Trinity is believing Father, Son, Spirit are one "identical" person and falsely say most all Protestant and Catholic churches teach that, even though the fact is that most all other Protestant and Catholic groups accept the trinity idea as being three totally different entities or persons forming one "Godship" (Ro 1:20), Son and Spirit sharing inherited age, power, knowledge from God just as an acorn may be only one day old but also have its genes inheriting its ancestral oak tree's age, capacity amd information!

    Members are told report on each other although the Bible condemns busy-bodying. Nor are regular JWs allowed to read Judicial Committee "sin files" on themselves, many not knowing they exist; often with misinformation and kept at Brooklyn's Bethel headquarters even if destroyed locally after seven years. Page 232 in the Insight book shows a picture of the Pay Attention To Yourselves And All The Flock book that elders have but do not allow non-elders to read. Page 302 in the Daniel book and pages 88 and 651 in the Proclaimers book show photos of the Knights Templar swords and the cross-with-crown-and-wreath used by Masons who sometimes use "Theocratic Warfare" tactics to change members' personalities on early WTSs literature. Not surprisingly with the pedophile and other scandals, many good JWs have also complained of visual and electronic spying, and even physical harassment. Some old WT books also have the winged sun god Ra on front covers - never a Christian symbol.

    Why must anyone be endangered or misled? JWs can use or form nonWTS groups for fun, news, fellowship (http://exjw.meetup.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian/, join another group or stay and battle by decreasing donations and support to the WTS. Please make and use copies of this for years ahead. It was written out of love for our JW families and friends as well as the public's - yours too! Tens if not hundreds of thousands of copies of this and similar items have gone to JW congregations and individuals earthwide via email and postings on internet discussion boards since 1998, and countless members of the public have read it too. Why not take your turn in helping us distribute more copies for happier, safer lives! Please copy, mail, email, leave about copies today!

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Periodic purges: just like the communist parties in china and russia. The more hard line they get, the more they are stabbing themselves w many pains, to use a phrase they will understand.

    SS

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    Is this for real? I mean, is this really legal?

    Probably, because Bethelites are a religious order and normal rules of employment, privacy etc. most likely don't apply.

  • Sentinel
    Sentinel

    This is interesting. I had the same question myself when I read the thread. Perhaps there is much more damage to the org than we know. But, then again, since they are being so restrictive with literature, the need for production would be greatly reduced.

    Then, again, perhaps there are things happening withing Bethel that isn't being talked about. This would not surprise me.

    The only information I get regarding the "society" comes from this forum. I threw out all my literature back in '81. My mother advised me years ago, when I voluntarily left, that I would be privy to absolutely no information about the org or any of my lifelong friends. (Wasn't that sweet of her?) She does not discuss anything in that regard with me.

    Although she has mellowed, she will absolutely not discuss Silentlambs and is quite happy to learn from her Elders that it is all just being blown out of proportion. She does so little thinking for herself, but then, I always do have hope for her. The realization would probably crush her though, and I'd hate to see that happen to anyone. Why couldn't she have just opted for a more normal religious choice years ago. Life would have been so different now for the whole family.

    Is there anyone from Bethel on this forum, I wonder. They might still have connections with others still up there. It is certainly a "downsizing" to ask 1,000 to leave, and we have a right to know. Then again, maybe it's really a blessing to more than 1,000 who wanted to leave anyway.

    Sentinel

  • nancee park
    nancee park

    Yes, it's legal. If you own a house and want to tap your own lines you can, and the Bethel complex is a big house owned by you know who. This has been discussed before many times. Ditto with your own trashcan. Someone may visit and stay at your home and throw something in the trash, but who owns the home, trash can and its thrown away contents. Why act so surprised? Same with the local halls for that matter.

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit