God Answers the Prayers of the Earring Hunters

by konceptual99 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • StrongHaiku
    StrongHaiku

    Prayer, seems to me, is just a pond of Confirmation Bias to fish from and it is indistinguishable from random chance.

    I mean, if God really wanted to make himself known, wouldn't he choose one religion and enable them to manifest anything they need and want through prayer clearly and consistently? It would be the most wildly successful way to make himself know and clear. Man, this God lacks imagination.

    At the very least, he would provide some type of reliable and testable mechanism and guidelines to understand if it has any efficacy. Again, no imagination, no thinking through the problem...epic fail.

    You would think this would be the nail in the coffin for most religions and Gods. The amount of Cognitive Dissonance in the heads of people who pray must be deafening. Maybe that's the voice they're hearing.


  • aintenoughwiskey
    aintenoughwiskey
    With all the troubles in the world, and prayers of agony, mind numbing pain and desperation. The definition of Hubris!
  • StrongHaiku
    StrongHaiku

    I think another thing I hate about prayer is that it minimizes the good that is done by people. You pray for health but go to the doctor. You pray for food but you go to work. You pray for help but it is people who do the heavy-lifting. It seems to me that you or some other person is doing the work, but God is getting the credit. However, God doesn't seem to get the blame when prayer is not answered. If all you count is the "hits" and not the "misses" then, by definition, you have confirmation bias.

    At best, prayer seems to be a placebo indistinguishable from meditating or day dreaming. At worst, it makes the person less likely to take responsibility and act on behalf of themselves and for others.

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99

    Loved all the comments. Cantleave's deserves a special mention for hitting my funny bone, but Punk's first comment is a gem and made me laugh out loud.

    Blondie - you are right. I think it's a such a good little question to throw in to the mix when the conversation gets boring at a party.

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99
    Punk's second comment is pretty funny as well.
  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    That sister's comment is about as sensible as wondering why lost things are always in the last place that you looked before they were found ?

    Seriously, I can live with the fact that every group has its share of nutty old ones ...but to have them present such anecdotes as serious teaching for the congregation is unforgivable

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy
    I thought it was 500,000 that died in that Indonesian tsunami. Then another 200,000 plus in the Haitian earthquake but hey who's counting God loves us so much.😉
  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Could these anecdotes be the kind of bat-shit crazy e-mails/scripture sharing that the GB are cracking down on? They make J-dums look more like Christen-dums.

    Then again, the GB approves of equally bat-shit crazy anecdotes. Jdumbs want to be the "thinkingest" xians, but continue to miss the mark.

    I place the blame on the GB who suffer from their own delusions and are therefore unable to help others who are mentally and emotionally unprepared for reality.

    DD

  • sparrowdown
    sparrowdown

    Well, according to GB new-kid Mark Sanderson Jehovah did control the weather so the silver sword could be printed in time for the release date. So why the heck wouldn't he just gosh darn find some earings for one of our dear sisters. Why I ask you, Why?

  • blondie
    blondie

    CONFIRMATION BIAS

    http://www.raywhiting.com/2013/12/confirmation-bias/

    By way of a short definition….

    According to the confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias), people tend to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.[Note 1][1] People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations). (wikipedia cite)

    I saw an example of this today. An elderly matriarch of a large extended family had been in the hospital for pneumonia. She was getting worse, they sent her to a better hospital facility, put her on life support, etc. And a relative put out a request on Facebook for prayers.

    A little later a status was posted indicating she was breathing better and walk talking to her kinfolk. And the comment posted was ‘Our prayers are working.’

    Noooooo…. if their prayers worked they could have just unplugged the patient, taken her home, and she would be fine.

    What worked was getting her into a hospital more suited to her needs, with the facilities, medicine and trained staff. The difference in her condition was the medical environment, NOT the prayers.

    Operating under confirmation bias means counting the hits while ignoring the misses. If prayer had any effect on external circumstances or other people, there would be evidence of it. Counting the actual evidence it is obvious that prayer NEVER actually works, and any apparent working is a result of coincidence, or some other agent at work.

    If you pray for a job, and after weeks of interviews and submitting hundreds of application, when you finally land a job, it is NOT because of prayer, but because someone decided to read your resume and give you a chance for whatever reason. The ONLY way to verify you could pray for a job without doing the work of applying would be for you to sit home and someone who does not know you need a job comes and offers you one. When other people know you need a job, and they hear of an opening, if they care about you they will mention the opportunity to you. That’s not a prayer thing, it’s not a ‘god’ thing — it’s a human thing; just humans taking care of humans. No prayer required.

    The only way to verify prayer works on sick people is to eliminate every medical advantage and see what happens with prayer alone. Leave the patient in a bed, without anyone attending, and just pray. (Here’s a short cut: look at all the reports in recent years of children who died because their parents prayed instead of seeking medical attention.)

    To see if prayer actually works in any situation to effect a positive change, you MUST eliminate all the other more rational possibilities first. Failure to do that, and to just assume “prayer works” is to operate under confirmation bias, conveniently forgetting all those other times you prayed and didn’t get the desired results.

    The ONLY effect of prayer is a form of self-hypnosis, convincing the one praying that “all is well”, but it has no effect on anyone outside the person praying. None. Ever. There is nothing supernatural or magical about praying.

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