U.S. Condemns Beheadings; W.T. Speaks Out

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  • messenger
    messenger

    OK think about it, since when do mulsim women use cosmetics? You would have to be suicidal to go to a muslim area as an infidel and try to sell them Avon. Why not go the the Amish and try to sell them electric razors? How about some whiskey to a Baptist church? Did you notice how they later changed the story to include "medical supplies"? There is much being left unsaid.

    How many times have JW used a cover to smuggle in literature to hostile areas? It was a bad cover, they got caught with a crap load of Watchtowers and that is the reason people died. The WT is just to chickenshxt to own up to their screwup.

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    I agree, it sounds like it was a front for the JW to preach but you still can't justify murder and its all over BS religion. When will we as a human race figure out religion will be our downfall?

    Will

  • messenger
    messenger

    seems like this early article let the cat out of the bag, since when do eight people ride all together in one car to sell Avon?

    Abu Sayyaf seizes 6
    Christian preachers
    By Julie S. Alipala
    Inquirer News Service

    Jehovah Witnesses in Muslim area

    THREE weeks after the close of the Philippine-US Balikatan military campaign against the Abu Sayyaf in the southern island of Basilan and after President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo repeatedly declared that the bandit group had been crushed, the bandits abducted Christian preachers in nearby Sulu province Tuesday, military and police officials said.

    Brigadier General Romeo Tolentino, commander of the 104th Army Brigade based in Sulu, Wednesday said Abu Sayyaf bandits abducted Tuesday morning six local preachers of Jehovah's Witnesses, a fundamentalist Christian sect.

    Sulu police chief Ahiron Ajirim, Sulu said the latest Abu Sayyaf hostages were seized while selling Avon cosmetic products in the village of Kaunayan in Patikul town.

    Tolentino said the preachers were selling Avon products "merely as a come-on to would-be converts."

    But Ajirim said his men found no evidence the witnesses were promoting their religion in the predominantly Muslim area.

    Patikul town's vice mayor Esmon Suhuri said the Army shelled suspected Abu Sayyaf hideouts around Patikul on Tuesday night. Other residents said they heard at least 10 ground-shaking artillery blasts.

    The fighting was the first in the war-stricken area in months.

    The military previously refrained from launching major attacks against the Abu Sayyaf while the bandits were holding hostages.

    Armed Forces Southern Command chief Lieutenant General Ernesto Carolina said two battalions were deployed to rescue the hostages.

    He said the bandits might use the six preachers as human shields amid an ongoing military operation to rescue three Indonesians being held by the Abu Sayyaf.

    The three Indonesian seamen -- Muntu Jacobus Winowatan, Jul Kipli and Pieter Lerrich -- were kidnapped off Basilan in June by pirates who later turned their hostages over to the Abu Sayyaf group in Sulu.

    Tolentino identified the latest kidnap victims as Nori Bendijo, Cleofe Bantolo, Flora Bantolo, Lurimil Bantolo, Lionel Mantic and Emily Mantic. He said Bendijo had stayed in Jolo for 20 years, and the others were residents of nearby Zamboanga City.

    Officials initially reported that eight people had been kidnapped, but two of them, identified only as Mr. and Mrs. Suliman, showed up at their homes Wednesday, saying they had spent the night with relatives and were surprised by the attention.

    Police were investigating the case of the two.

    The couple -- the only Muslims in the group -- served as guides when the Jehovah Witnesses entered Kaunayan village, police said.

    Ajirim reported two men with pistols stopped the jeep carrying the five women and three men and forced them out their jeep.

    Ajirim said his men found boxes of Avon cosmetics in the jeep.

    He said the gunmen left behind the driver, who later identified one of the kidnappers as Muin Maulod Sahiron, a nephew of the one-armed Abu Sayyaf leader Radullan Sahiron.

    Carolina said the young Sahiron had been involved in kidnapping in the past.

    Tolentino said Muin Sahiron's group was behind the abduction of Manila television reporter Maan Macapagal and her cameraman Val Cuenca two years ago in Sulu.

    Vice Mayor Suhuri said the rural folk were in the middle of a major harvest, and renewed fighting could disrupt the relative prosperity the area enjoyed this year.

    The Abu Sayyaf has often kidnapped for ransom but more frequently has abducted poor Filipinos to serve for weeks or months as slave labor.

    The Abu Sayyaf kidnapping abated somewhat in February when the Philippines and the US jointly launched the Balikatan counter-terrorism exercises in Mindanao, particularly Basilan.

    For six months, about 1,200 US troops trained and provided logistical and intelligence support for the Philippine military's push to eradicate the Abu Sayyaf.

    The joint exercises ended officially three weeks ago, although a few Americans remained in Basilan to finish infrastructure projects.

    US Navy Admiral Thomas Fargo, chief of the US Pacific Command, said in a speech at the closing ceremonies on July 31 that the military campaign left the Abu Sayyaf "in disarray and on the run, unable to find the money or the time to eat, rest and resupply."

    President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo and US Ambassador Frank Ricciardone also said the joint campaign crushed the Abu Sayyaf, which has been linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network.

    The bandits in Sulu, about 80 kilometers southwest of Basilan, are from a different Abu Sayyaf faction and suffered less from the intense offensives that the military says decimated the Abu Sayyaf on Basilan.

  • scumrat
    scumrat

    Oh !!! Watchtower, What you say and do are two different things. You have NO credibility

  • Mary
    Mary

    Seeing as Muslim women are not permitted to wear makeup, why would Witnesses be trying to sell Avon products in a Muslim area? This is a bunch of crap: they were their trying to preach because they're told that "this good news of the kingdom will be preached in ALL the inhabited earth."

  • sunshineToo
    sunshineToo

    Was any of them an US citizen? If that kind of stuff happened in the US, I think the WTS could be charged for Murder2 or maybe Criminally Negligent Homicide if the judge and the members of Jury are so generous and bias in favor of the WTS.

    Is any government going to take any action?

    Edited by - sunshineToo on 23 August 2002 11:4:3

  • julien
    julien

    Look what's the big deal? The Witnesses were either there to preach or they were there to sell avon or other products. If they were selling products that is normal behavior for a witness who has to make a living. We don't know the makeup situation (ie, do the women wear it) there so why speculate? I read a lot of stories about the women of Afghanistan and many or most of them continued to wear it secretly when in their homes.

    If they were preaching that is also normal behavior. If they were preaching sneakily that is also perfectly normal for JWs who have done sneaky things in the face of 'persecution' before.

    And finally even if they were in a dangerous area, and even if they were sent there by the WTBTS to preach to Muslims while pretending to sell Avon as a cover, that is still consistent with JW M.O. Don't they believe that everyone needs a witness, even those people in dangerous areas?? They also know that Christians have been killed before as result of their faith. I would not be surprised to see JWs go out to preach like this even with danger like that.

    But also remember, the Philippine Govt had said that this particular group was 'on the run', so the JWs may even felt it was safe to preach anyway.

    I don't see too much point in attacking the WTBTS over this. It was just a terrible unlucky thing that happened to hit some people who happened to be JWs who were doing normal JW things.

  • avengers
    avengers
    But Ajirim said his men found no evidence the witnesses were promoting their religion in the predominantly Muslim area

    Six JW's together going from door to door not promoting religion but selling Avon products?

    Next thing they'll try to do is make me believe in Santa Claus.

    The main guilty party responsible is the WT. They are promoting Theocratical Warfare Tactics.

    How can you trust people who say it's perfectly okay to lie in order to protect the Truth?

    Isn't that called an oxymoron? The blood on the hands of the Governing Body is increasing.

    You oh Watchtower you are responsible for their death!

    A thought just occurred to me. Maybe the WT has shares in Avon????????????hahaha, though this is not a laughing matter.

  • Dia
    Dia

    Big public 'persecution' in a presently famous locality might certainly draw the public mind away from the current scandals, wouldn't it?

    That almost makes one wonder (cringe) if there was purposefulness to their being sent out there at such a time as this.

    I wish I could say, 'No, the WT would NEVER do something like that'.

    But I can't.

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