All Hail King Bush!!!!

by crownboy 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • crownboy
    crownboy

    Apparently, ole Dubya thinks Congress is only there to rubber stamp his "war initiatives", not authorize them:

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20020826/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq_23 Bush Aides Say Iraq Decision Is His Mon Aug 26,10:29 AM ET

    By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent

    CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - White House lawyers have told President Bush ( news - web sites) he would not need congressional approval to attack Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites )'s Iraq, although advisers say political considerations could prompt the president to seek a nod from lawmakers anyway.


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    Two senior administration officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said White House counsel Al Gonzales advised Bush earlier this month that the Constitution gives the president authority to wage war without explicit authority from Congress.

    "Any decision the president may make on a hypothetical congressional vote will be guided by more than one factor," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer ( news - web sites ), who declined to confirm that Bush had received an opinion from Gonzales on the matter.

    "The president will consider a variety of legal, policy and historical issues if a vote were to become a relevant matter. He intends to consult with Congress because Congress has an important role to play."

    Despite the go-ahead from his legal advisers, administration officials said the president has not ruled out seeking lawmakers' approval if he decides to attack Iraq.

    The officials noted that Bush's father was told in advance of the 1991 war that he did not need congressional authority to act, but nonetheless sought Congress' blessing for his action.

    One of the officials said Gonzales also concluded the current president has authority to act against Saddam under the congressional resolution that authorized his father's actions in the 1991 Gulf War ( news - web sites ). Saddam has not complied with the terms that ended that war, the official said.

    Furthermore, the official said Bush was told he also could act against Iraq on the strength of the Sept. 14 congressional resolution approving military action against terrorism.

    Both of the officials said Bush had not decided whether to use military force against Saddam.

    Still, the existence of a legal opinion along with earlier reports that the Pentagon ( news - web sites) is drafting attack plans reflect the seriousness of preparations within the highest reaches of government to pave way for war against Iraq if Bush so chooses.

    The legal advice became public Sunday as Republicans sounded a mixed message for Bush about whether, when and how to use military action to remove Saddam from power.

    The Bush administration's policy is that Saddam is trying to develop weapons of mass destruction and is refusing to allow international inspectors to find and destroy them, as Iraq agreed to do after the 1991 Persian Gulf War.

    Rep. Tom DeLay ( news , bio, voting record) of Texas said Sunday the decision to act is the commander in chief's, but he expects Bush to consult with Congress first.

    "The president says he's going to consult with the Congress, and he has. The president has taken the advice of many of us in Congress; he wants input from Congress," DeLay said. "He has said he's going to come to Congress when he decides what needs to be done and when it needs to be done, and I expect him to do that."

    While saying Bush properly "is trying to keep the (anti-Iraq) coalition together," DeLay rejected a suggestion by former Secretary of State James A. Baker III that Bush first get a resolution of support from the U.N. Security Council.

    The president answers only to the American people through Congress, DeLay said.

    Baker, secretary of state to President Bush's father, wrote in Sunday's New York Times that a Security Council resolution was necessary as political cover for any U.S. military action.

    "The only realistic way to effect regime change in Iraq is through the application of military force," Baker wrote.

    But he added: "Although the United States could certainly succeed, we should try our best not to have to go it alone, and the president should reject the advice of those who counsel doing so. The costs in all areas will be much greater, as will the political risks."

    Lawrence Eagleburger, who succeeded Baker in 1992, the final year of former President Bush's administration, is among several old-line Republicans advocating caution.

    "I think there are any number of complex questions that simply haven't been examined," Eagleburger said on "CNN Late Edition." "And if it's wimpish to say that ... until we know at least with some confidence that we must act now, then I say we need to be very careful about going forward.

    "I'm simply saying I think this is much more complex than (DeLay) and his chest-thumpers think it is."

  • gsx1138
    gsx1138

    As much I think Bush is very dangerous for this country this article is nothing new really. There are plenty of ways to wage war without the approval of Congress. As long as the leaders of this country hold onto their christian cold war mentality we will continue to be in danger.

  • RandomTask
    RandomTask

    Yes, the longer the Saddam's of the world get to roam free, develop weapons of mass destruction, aggravate their neighbors and kill their own people the better for humanity I say!

    Edited by - RandomTask on 26 August 2002 18:31:37

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    christian cold war mentality

    Is that opposed to the Muslim 'hot' terriorist war mentaility we're now facing.

    As much I think Bush is very dangerous for this country

    I think the polictically correct 'apathy' this country has meandered through these past 10 years is far more dangerous than President Bush. Thank God some of the 'sleepers' are waking up.

  • gsx1138
    gsx1138

    The common misconseption within the Bush robot ranks is that if you don't agree with him you must love Clinton. I think the last decent president in this country was Reagan. Clinton did some good for domestic economics but he was a disgrace with foreign affairs and an all around shitty person. I think conservatives have been sooo desperate for soo long for a Republican president they'll follow Bush into a pit of snakes and deny it's dangerous the entire time.

    Thank God some of the 'sleepers' are waking up.

    I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean maybe you're just a Dune fan.

    Is that opposed to the Muslim 'hot' terriorist war mentaility we're now facing.

    That is half of the equation. It is our aged policies that got us into this crap in the first place. Personally, I would love to just take the middle east and split it up between the U.S., Russia, and China. It is easy to point fingers at fanatics when they are on the other side of the fence, it is much harder to point a finger at the fanatics in your own back yard.

    We do agree that Political Correctness is very, very bad for this country. At least we see eye to eye on something.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    The constitution allows him to wage ware without congressional approval?????? According to MY copy of the US Constitution only Congress shall have Power To delclare War.

    The president is the one who controls the military in war time, but congress must give the green light!

    Article. I. Section. 8.

    Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To...declare War (Clause 11)

    Article. II.
    Section. 2.

    Clause 1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

  • gsx1138
    gsx1138

    I don't think it can be legally defined as a War but all he has to do is call it something else. Reagan didn't have Congressional approval for the Panama action. Bush could pull the same thing just on a bigger scale.

  • RandomTask
    RandomTask

    Elsewhere, read the WHOLE constitution. The president is commander in chief of the armed forces. He can send the military wherever he wants to "wage war" so to speak without a formal declaration of war by congress.

    This certainly has precedent in history. Look at peacekeeping forces that were sent to Somalia, and the Baltic states under Clinton. Grenada and Panama during Reagan/Bush 41. Who did we declare war on in Vietnam? Nobody! These actions by our military did not have to be authorized by congress.

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Hello! Anyone remember Vietnam! What about Korea???? UN ACTIONS =NO WAR. WAR is just a stupid technicality, and in all Honesty, a bunch of lying special interest congresmen need to get their asses out of the discussion becuase they are POLITICIANS not GENERALS. POLITICIANS F-d up the Vietnam WAR. WAR is WAR and those Knuckleheads need to stay out of it. Since Bush is the Chief, its his call. Lets the MILITARY make the decisions, not a bunch of pansies who are sitting on their asses while others get shot. Let them take car of things such as budgets and laws and representing their own STATES, they are not there to be arm chair generals.

  • Mimilly
    Mimilly

    Crazy151 - gawd, I actually agree with you

    I still wish as much money and planning etc etc etc to the ommth degree would go into making this planet a better and safer place to live. But that just isn't on any government's adjenda (sp) - or any corporations for that matter. The only thing I don't trust about Bush is that he's an oil man first and foremost. I question his motives. Time will tell I guess.

    Mimilly

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