UPDATE ON VICKI BOER CHILD ABUSE TRIAL

by Scully 17 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • waiting
    waiting

    Unless convicted by the Church, the Watchtower supports the abuser even if he is convicted in Court, forces victims into silence and will not alert other members of the congregation of the danger. Any discussion with other members of a matter not established by Church elders can be considered slander with a possible penalty of expulsion and shunning by family/friends.

    Excellent point.

    Watchtower suggests that another member will accompany a rapist in public.

    I was under the impression that it's quite possible that "another member" might not even know their accompanying a rapist in public - introducing them to their own family, friends, and neighbors.

    But, they will not disclose that the member is not trained to deal with such a sick person or be informed as to why the person must be accompanied at all times in the field. Nor will they disclose that the accompaniment policy is only for pedophiles convicted by the Church not those convicted by a Court. There is nothing in the policy that prevents an abuser from going door to door alone

    But those not convicted by the Church itself (even though the Court may have convicted them) are allowed privilege in the congregation and trust with children.

    I didn't know this either. Sooooooo, an elder can be a convicted pedophile, but never have two witnesses against him..............so he was never found to be a sinner.....this still an elder.

    Only pedophiles convicted internally by the Church are monitored as they move from congregation to congregation.

    Are you sure about this?

    , in these cases untrained Church elders do the monitoring, without informing members of the danger these individuals - whom the Watchtower Society acknowledges may be notorious repeat offenders - pose to their innocent children.

    Since the elders are "untrained volunteers" - as we were, how would we skillfully monitor a child molester? How would we KNOW how to monitor - a skill that professionals are trained for?

    Church elders will know of an alleged child molesters history and can take steps to protect their own children, but will not extend that same protection to other children in their congregation by informing parents of the dangerous presence of a child rapist.

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, the priveledge of the clergy class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! However, seriously, remember that kid who bought the law suit against his JW neighbor for raping him, and his stepfather had been an elder sitting on that committee which oversaw the evidence of the man raping OTHER kids........and the father never warned his own stepson. The son was told by the Court that his lawyer failed in bringing a substantial case against the WT & the rapist. Best of my memory - the rapist was a "JW brother in good standing." Court papers were on "United Jehovah's Witnesses" - I think. We had a thread about it here a long time ago - I think.

    Probably some very Freudian thinking revolving in that stepfather about his son.

    Scully & Others - in no way do I mean to pick apart. It's a wonderful news release! Very succinct. I just try to imagine what lawyers try and think about.....and they think about picking words apart for their own benefit. Great information.


    Thanks - waiting

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    I notice that one of the Advocates, along with the Andersons, is Alan Feuerbacher. Seems that I remember that name from when I first began to post. But I haven't seen anything from him in a long while. If he is the same person, I suppose that could explain his absence. A major undertaking indeed! Anyone know?

  • Scully
    Scully

    waiting:
    >>>>Only pedophiles convicted internally by the Church are monitored as they move from congregation to congregation. <<<<

    >>>Are you sure about this?<<<

    When a JW moves from one congregation to another, the elders are supposed to send a letter of recommendation with respect to the person's qualifications for privileges in the congregation. It will be done with matters as insignificant (to the general public) as smoking (which, incidentally happened to my husband) so that privileges will be withheld in the new congregation. If they do it for such 'petty crimes' as using tobacco, it's logical that they will do it with child molesters. But then again, the WTS and elders don't always exercise logic in their decisions, now do they?

    Love, Scully

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    People People People

    This news release needs to be kept on the front page of this forum until early Monday Eastern Time.

    It has the information on where the trial is for those who are going to it.

    I also urge all Canadians who have the actual release or can get one from their friend "Scully", to send the news release to the local papers. They will not cover the trial but when the Canada wide news reports are done by the lamestream press, the news editors will pick up on it.

    You people who have the actual press release - get it to your local news editors now and follow up with a phone call.

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    Waiting,

    Thanks. Remember good old Fitzwater. A loving elder who was convicted of raping little kids. I think the bastard raped at least 17. He is still a Witness in good standing and rotting in jail and supported by the JWs. Same with Berry, Beliz and that jerk in the UK. Yes waiting there may be the odd case like yours. But doctrine, policy and those examples show another story.

    hawk

    Edited by - hawkaw on 7 September 2002 12:13:18

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Scully,

    When a JW moves from one congregation to another, the elders are supposed to send a letter of recommendation with respect to the person's qualifications for privileges in the congregation. It will be done with matters as insignificant (to the general public) as smoking (which, incidentally happened to my husband) so that privileges will be withheld in the new congregation. If they do it for such 'petty crimes' as using tobacco, it's logical that they will do it with child molesters. But then again, the WTS and elders don't always exercise logic in their decisions, now do they?

    If an accusation has not been proved it will not follow the person in a letter if they move. This policy may of course change in the near future. The GB met as a complete group ( a very rare event ) last month to discuss the issue of child-abuse. I think that the elders will be getting another letter in the near future, or certainly new directions at the up-coming 'special' KM school.

    As to your husband, the 'smoking' situation must have been confessed or proved if it was put in the letter, an unproved accusation would not have. As you might imagine, the legal consequences of suggesting that a person is a pedophile without evidence would be very dangerous.

    When a person who is not appointed to a position of responsibility, i.e a publisher, moves congregation, whether male of female, the Secretary alone signs the letter. If he has been appointed as an MS or elder, all three elders on the Service Committee need to read and sign the letter to show their collective agreement.

    Best regards - HS

    Edited by - hillary_step on 7 September 2002 12:22:25

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Flag!!!

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    If it is true that the trial may last two weeks, what would be the best time to take a day or two off work to attend? Is there any date in particular where a large show of support would be desired? Any mini apostatests planned where we can meet up with those from out of town who might be visiting? Any idea on how long the court will be in session each day?

    Thanks...
    Path

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Path,

    As I promised, I will be in contact with you.

    I will give you a buzz today.

    hawk

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